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Cpt Jack ~ Kiran will be running for Congress one of these days. He's practicing, no, make that perfecting his people skills.

 

He doesn't have far to go, sounds like to me.

 

Ruth & Gibbs

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Cpt Jack ~ Kiran will be running for Congress one of these days. He's practicing, no, make that perfecting his people skills.

 

He doesn't have far to go, sounds like to me.

 

Ruth & Gibbs

 

He is, absolutely, hands down, the most charismatic dog I have ever encountered and I find it both delightful and odd.

 

He'd absolutely run for office - and probably be elected :P

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Practicing the charming smile.

 

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And hey, I accidentally got a shot that shows some muscle. Harder than you'd think with him. You can sort of tell by the collar above but he's got more fluff than you'd expect and it hides a lot.

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New Collar - but really the appropriateness of the tag just makes me laugh.

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The near constant derpy grin adds something to the appropriateness, somehow!

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Water loving dog's gonna swim (and chase waves - though nice shot of him doing that and calling off them in the middle). Molly's going to wade up to her elbows and escort him back because he is clearly *insane*.

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It is dogs like Kiran that make me so sure that pedigree breeders have it so wrong.  Breeding for a bloodline/looks alone, and negatively judging dogs that do not have that pedigree is so one sided, and means that you cannot see the wonderful qualities of a dog that is a little bit of who-knows-what-exactly.

My first dog as a kid was a complete bitsa; we think mum maybe had some lab and kelpie in there, but he was the size of a jack russell terrier.  He was a fantastic dog and I have very fond memories of him.  He would have been a pedigree breeder's worst nightmare.

Kiran is clearly a wonderful dog but equally would be dismissed by a pedigree breeder.

Leaving aside all else that is wrong with pedigree breeding, that elitism really rubs me the wrong way.

 

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1 hour ago, Lawgirl said:

It is dogs like Kiran that make me so sure that pedigree breeders have it so wrong.  Breeding for a bloodline/looks alone, and negatively judging dogs that do not have that pedigree is so one sided, and means that you cannot see the wonderful qualities of a dog that is a little bit of who-knows-what-exactly.

My first dog as a kid was a complete bitsa; we think mum maybe had some lab and kelpie in there, but he was the size of a jack russell terrier.  He was a fantastic dog and I have very fond memories of him.  He would have been a pedigree breeder's worst nightmare.

Kiran is clearly a wonderful dog but equally would be dismissed by a pedigree breeder.

Leaving aside all else that is wrong with pedigree breeding, that elitism really rubs me the wrong way.

He certainly raises a lot of interesting philosophical questions.

One of the things I find most interesting about Kiran is that people in general gravitate toward him, but there is a certain subset of folks who really, really, cannot be overstated, *really* love him - and that subset is older  (60+) who are either actively farming or ranching, used to farm or ranch, or who spent a lot of their lives on one (like grew up on one).    It's at the point that I can almost predict the connection to the farm/ranch life before they say a thing, based just on how, and how much, they like him.   To a one every one has said: 1-) Kiran reminds them of dogs they loved, 2-) You don't see many dogs like 'that' (him) around, anymore because 3-) that life and the dogs are both dying out. 

A talk with one someone who is actually A BC person wasn't surprised by the touch of Foxhound in him - because there are, apparently, some old, old, OLD, bloodlines being used on some of those farms, tracked and guarded and where pedigree and purity of breed or even breed did not matter at all. If it was a nice dog for what they wanted, there was no hesitation in using that dog or breeding it. 

Kiran's not a BC - clearly.  He's slightly over half BC, but just not a border collie.    I wouldn't claim he is, and I sure wouldn't claim he could do the work of, or work like, one, but I can say with absolute confidence that his parents are useful on the ranch, and that his brother is an excellent stock dog for the stock and farm he was bred to work.


Kiran of course is just a nice dog.  A really, really nice dog.   He is just very, very, stable and sound, both physically and temperamentally.    He is very self-assured.  He doesn't have quirks, phobias, or obsessions; he doesn't even have concerns.   He's very biddable, intelligent, and handler focused, but he isn't particularly soft.  He's politely friendly with people and other animals, and adores kids, but they're no kind of distraction.  He'd rather be doing stuff with me.   He isn't specialized in any way.   If you put a job in front of him, no matter what that job is, he's going to get it done.  He may not do it with the flair and grace a more specialized dog would bring, but he WILL get it done.   He has drive for days - work, interaction (with me, strangers he just... lies down when they try), food, toys, doesn't matter.  His stamina is baffling, even by the standard of sports dogs.  

His ONLY two downfalls in general, but not for me, are that he is very much a loud-mouth, and that his off switch is occasionally still kind of shaky. 

In general though, he's just the quintessential, good-old boy, farm dog. 

I really, really, really like it and really, really wish the kind of breeding that produced him wasn't going the way of the dinosaurs. 

Picture since it's a photo thread (technically) and I wrote a freaking novel..

 

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Oh and I guess maybe back on vague topic of dismissing:

Yep, absolutely dismissed by pedigree breeders - and I'm sure some people who would poo-poo on him even in a sports type setting for being a mutt.  It irritates me, but honestly his genes have been solicited more than any other dog I've ever owned, based soley on being a really nice dog with really good structure and it makes me laugh.  Okay, makes me laugh and kind of smug in the general direction of snobs. 

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On 6/30/2018 at 11:47 AM, coffeegirl said:

I'm not 60, but that puppy grin sure makes me smile.

Well, those certainly aren't the *only* people he charms.  He's a good boy!
 

We went on a boat earlier this week.  There were pictures and a little bit of video.   Agility wise - he's coming along.  Still WAAAAAY unbalanced toward handler focus and no clear idea what the heck the point of this game is, but he's happy and willing and I've no doubt he'll come along.  He's only just now turning 15 months old.  By the time we get his jumps up to height, I'm sure he'll be better about it. 

 

 

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I called this 15 month old, teenage, intact, got a little foxhound in him puppy, off full out pursuit of a rabbit tonight. 


One recall cue, 180 degree turn and right back to me at the same speed he was chasing the rabbit. 

 

I have never been so proud of a dog in my life.

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He's one in a million, that boy. The first pic of him with his front leg crossed ~ he looks So Pleased With HIs Clever Self. Soooo glad you share these with us, Cpt. Jack.

Ruth & Gibbs

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I'm glad - and I'm glad you said so, because I sometimes feel like one of those obnoxious and overly proud parents who just can't stop gushing about their precious for 3 seconds. 

At least I'm self-aware?

He makes me want to pull my hair out once in a blue moon, and he's certainly smart enough to occasionally train me (We have a game we play regularly, where he picks things up from the floor and hands them to me and I give him a piece of kibble or some attention.  Yesterday morning it took me a couple of hours to realize that he wasn't bringing me little bits of fluff - he was tearing off individual tiny pieces from my kitchen sponge and bringing them to  me)  but he's just... a nice dog.  

 

All my dogs are nice dogs, of course. 


This one just managed to somehow hit being a nice dog who is also an absolutely perfect fit for me and what I wanted and expected and that, in my 40 years of dogs, is actually pretty damned rare.  

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Whenever I see Kiran's thread in bold I am so eager to check whatever has been posted.  You may feel like an obnoxious parent but this is exactly the place for it!

I love the tearing up the kitchen sponge for treats!

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Disc seminar, today.  Photo taken by a friend, and credit goes to her (shared with permission, and left unnamed here also on purpose)

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