Jump to content
BC Boards

Extinguishing a behavior with positive reinforcement?


Recommended Posts

Anyone have any ideas as far as how to extinguish a behavior, specifically eating cat poop out of the litter box, using positive reinforcement? Is it possible?

 

I will admit I'm not a fan of purely r+ training, but I'm always willing to try things that I feel might work.

 

I'm not worried about when he's left home alone; that would be impossible. Normally I keep a baby gate across the doorway to the bathroom where the litter box is, but when I am home I keep it down so I don't have to hike my leg 4 feet in the air with a full bladder or in a towel. He likes to sneak off and steal and I caught him yesterday while I was in the shower, and yelling is just unproductive.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Honestly, this is so rewarding for the dog that it's hard to get rid of entirely without management being the method. My method has been to use a chain latch (a longish one) on the outside of the door, so that the cats can paw it open JUST FAR ENOUGH to get into the room with the litter-boxes, but the dogs can't fit. Then when I need in, I just unchain it and close the door normally to pee or shower or whatever.


I know that's not the kind of advice you were looking for, but it's actually great as an alternative to what you're doing now, so. There you go.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If you can find ANYthing on God's sweet earth that would make a dog willingly and happily give up a taste of "kitty-roca," be sure to let us know. ;)

I've found the only thing that works is prevention, in my household. Either the baby gate or a string latch that only allows the door to open 6 inches/cat-width wide.

~ Gloria

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Chain latch is good. A hook and screw eye is good, too. You're leaving the door open enough for Kitty to get in and out, but not enough for nasty, sneaky border collies to come in and steal things, Precious. Sorry, couldn't help that last bit.

 

I agree with Gloria and CptJack. There is probably nothing more reinforcing to any dog than the chance to eat poo, of wide and varied types. And the fact that they find it themselves probably adds to the reinforcement.

 

Ruth and SuperGibbs

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have to agree with the above. I also manage access to the kitty litter box. I have the litter box placed in a corner with a baby gate angled in front of it. It is leaned against the wall so that the bottom leaves about 4 inches open for kitty access. The dogs have not challenged it more than once or twice because when they did, the baby gate fell onto the tile floor with a god-awful noise that prevented further attempts. ;)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I had a kitchen cabinet made that has two spaces. Top space is to store various stuff, bottom space is where I put the litter box. In one corner there´s a hole, big enough for kitty, but dog can't get in. Due to the strategic disposition off the cabinet in relation to the kitchen sink, dog can't even peep inside. Problem solved.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I was also going to mention a solution similar to the one described by teresaserrano. You can search on the internet to get several ideas of how people disguise their kitty litter box within a cabinet. Most are doing it for aesthetics, but I think it serves a double purpose to help keep the dog out (depending on size of dog and location of hole in cabinet, etc.) At some point, I am going to go with a set-up in a cabinet.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Unfortunately cat poop eating is self rewarding. I got a pet gate that has an opening at the bottom for the cats to walk in and swings open for me to get in. They sell them at Petco an some PetSmarts. I believe it was $50, which while expensive works out great! My grandma also has swing open gates with no bottom entrance to block access to certain rooms and they cost closer to $30, but make sure they are tall enough because Lily can easily jump my grandmas 3' gate if she wants to bad enough, but can't get over my 3 1/2' gate.

 

Another option is making a bin litterbox that required the cat to jump in and out through a hole in the lid of a big plastic container. The dogs can't get into the box, so that could solve your issue. I'm not sure how concerned with looks you are, but they also make litter boxes that are similar and look better, but it will cost you more.

 

I also know there is stuff you can add to your cat's food to make their poop 'taste bad' to dogs, but I've never tried it personally. I know from experience that adding pineapple to a dogs diet makes their own poop 'taste bad', so it might work for cats too if you can get them to eat the pineapple.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Pet gates work better than baby gates as Cass describes. They have an opening for the cat and they swing open for humans to walk thru.

 

I personally use top entry litter boxes. One is the store bought kind that was given to me. I looked it up and I think it sells for $30+. I have also made one (as we have two cats) from a Rubbermaid tote. Just cut a circle in the lid and voila. I have caught Levi lingering around the boxes but I haven't seen any evidence he has been able to get his head in.

 

Otherwise you can search online or Pinterest for hidden litter box ideas. Lots of people take an old trunk or night stand or something similar and cut a hole in the side for kitty and attach a hinge to the top for you to access the litter.

 

You can also install a cat door in a closet door and keep the box in there.

 

I personally find it so gross that I wouldn't do anything but block access.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Friends have a 29 gallon aquarium with a stand that has hinged doors like a cupboard. The back of it's open, though, and with the baseboard and room for the filter it sits a few inches from the wall. They put the litter box inside so the dog can't get into it but they still have very easy access for cleaning it with the doors.

 

When I had a cat I did what others have mentioned. The litter box was in the bathroom with a loop fastened to the wall that went onto the doorknob with enough room for the cat to go in but not the dogs. It was no trouble for me to open to get into the bathroom when I needed to.

 

Pineapple contains bromelain, which is supposed to make the stool taste bad. Adolph's meat tenderizer also contains this and sometimes people use it on pets' food to dissuade other animals from eating stools. I've never tried it, so I can't vouch for its efficacy.

 

The tenderizer also contains salt and sugar, so I wouldn't recommend it. Plain bromelain (derived from pineapple) can be purchased as a supplement, though, so I see no reason why you couldn't buy it in powder or capsules and sprinkle some on the cat's food to see if it would help.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I once asked my vet about the food additives to make cat poo unpalatable. He said, "Sally. It's ****! How much worse can it taste?" :wacko::lol:

 

Anyway, I use one of the gates that cats can sail over and humans can unlatch but nasty poo-eating dogs cannot breach.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

×
×
  • Create New...