GentleLake Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I think she looks more Aussie than BC, but so hard to tell from one photo. It's sometimes hard to tell in dog, even with adults. I went to a dog show on Saturday, mostly to laugh at the Barbie collies and to see if I could pick up any good samples. I saw a red merle Aussie with a tail, semi-prick ears and a body that was longer than it was tall that I'm still not convinced wasn't a BC, though her owner swore up and down she was a PB Aussie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 It's sometimes hard to tell in dog, even with adults. I went to a dog show on Saturday, mostly to laugh at the Barbie collies and to see if I could pick up any good samples. I saw a red merle Aussie with a tail, semi-prick ears and a body that was longer than it was tall that I'm still not convinced wasn't a BC, though her owner swore up and down she was a PB Aussie. I saw a really nice working Aussie in NM that had prick ears and a full tail (imported from a country that bans tail docking). Many would have mistaken this dog for a Border Collie. The working bred Aussies, just like the working bred BCs, have a wide variety of physical traits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentleLake Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 I saw a really nice working Aussie in NM that had prick ears and a full tail (imported from a country that bans tail docking). Many would have mistaken this dog for a Border Collie. The working bred Aussies, just like the working bred BCs, have a wide variety of physical traits. I saw a working Aussie like that many years ago, too, in either MD or VA. Looked very BC, too. I talked to this woman for a while -- actually more to the woman she was with who had a friend who was looking for a rescue BC for agility -- but I forgot to ask her if the breeding was working or show. She'd commented that the dog has done some herding, but that doesn't mean much w/out knowing what the herding consisted of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gailminni Posted August 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Thanks for the replies. I'll keep the board posted. Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 The dog I saw could have made a useful working partner in experienced hands. I got to see him at a clinic. His owner was a novice, but the dog had nice raw talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gailminni Posted August 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 OK guys. I found this website and they are just a couple of hours away from me. Is this what a working border collie breeder is supposed to look like? They have quite a few videos showing the dogs herding (which I know nothing about). First of all, the puppies are inexpensive compared to the others I have seen. Secondly, I wonder if the pups are well socialized. What do you think of the conditions? They also have a pedigree page. I need some serious help on this. Thanks, Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gailminni Posted August 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Sorry, forgot the link: http://jlbordercollies.com/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 http://jlbordercollies.com/ourdogs/pedigrees/skye.htm <-- This is reason enough for me to run away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljones Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 ^^ What Liz said. As the person who salvaged the sire of this dog's dam when Swafford was done with him, I would run fast and far. I also clicked on a few other pedigrees and saw MAH named, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentleLake Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 And if that weren't enough, the sheer number of dogs screams puppy mill to me. ETA: I'm going to guess that Gail isn't aware that Mary Ann Harrison and Richard Swafford are notorious puppy millers. It may have been more helpful for Gail to give a bit of an explanation so that she understands why y'all are telling her to run fast and far from this so-called breeder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gailminni Posted August 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 No, I wasn't aware of them but those videos of the puppies and number of puppies were red flags. So, Angie, you had experience with him? OK. On to the next one. I really appreciate you guys! Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljones Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Sorry I wasn't clear, Gail. If you want to learn more about either of the puppy-millers I mentioned, the search function here on the boards should reveal several past threads where they have been discussed at length. My first-hand experiences have been with Swafford, so seeing his lines in the pedigree for Skye was an immediate concern. The dog named "Cody" in that pedigree is the one I rescued when Swafford discarded him at age 12 because he was no longer useful as a stud dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gailminni Posted August 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 God bless you, Angie. Poor "Cody" and all the others. He probably didn't know what a jackpot he won once he went from that hell to your home. Thanks for telling me to search for those idiots. Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted August 21, 2013 Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Gail, Just so we're all suitably helpful, here's all you really need to know about Swafford, et al. http://www.americanbordercollie.org/disciplineactions.html J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gailminni Posted August 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2013 Thanks Julie. I guess that really tells the whole story. So sad for the pups. Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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