SS Cressa Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 So I found at our local pet store an adorable border collie puppy.... LOL I am not even into a red and white but he is adorable! He is extrememly white factor. anyways he is 3 months old,a split face white factor chocolate and white, unregister, from nebraska, and they have had him for about a month. oh and they are asking $800 for him. 0.o LOL I am just like 800 REALLY? I would/might pay that much for a pup from proven parents who is also register... o.0 I took him out to play with him and I love his temperment but I thinking for the average pet home he might be too much. He was very mouthy and indepenant. He didnt spook and was very curious with his surrounding. He didnt stop chewing on me NOR did he stop tugging <3 or getting into everything <3 and he also had a slight attitude. <3 Anyways with how much they are asking and how mouthy he was... I was thinking he might be a hard to sell. So was wondering does anyone know on average how old a pup is before its disappears? or do all petstores keep a pup till it sells? Also while I know its a puppy mill puppy... anyone have any ideas on which puppy mill it could possible be out of? ETA: in the 1st pix he is chewing on my pants then he went for my sandels, then my gym clothes, then he was tugging with my backpack. Oh and he also wanted to chew on my toes and hands. another pixs with him in the window where you can see how much white he has. In his kennel I always only find him sleeping?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbie Meier Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I don't know how they do it now, but back when we lived in Wisconsin we would begin to see the older dogs discounted once they got out of the "cute" stage, this guy looks to still be really cute. Hard to say where the pup originated from for certain, I just found this article, really outlines all the possibilities from large volume mill to stolen, hadn't really thought about the stolen possibility, guessing it is a rare occurance but who knows...: http://www.canismajor.com/dog/puppymil.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Eventually? Once they lose that cute puppy factor? A Google search leads me to believe that the price is droppped until it does sell. Or, it may go (sell) to a BRG (bogus rescue group) to be marked back up and "adopted" out to someone who feels they are doing a good deed (and the BRG makes money on the deal). Some might possibly wind up in dog/puppy auctions, or back where they came from (maybe to become another "breeder"). Whatever the possible scenarios, real or imaginary, none of them look very good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretBC Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 That is so sad. He'll probably end up being purchased by someone with no knowledge of the breed and end up in rescue by the time he's 10 months old. He is SO cute..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalahundur Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Strange, who in his right mind would pay 800 bucks for a pup not knowing anything about the parents. I could pick up dozens of free non registered bc pups if I wanted (all just as cute as this one).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Because, I think, pet store pups are either impulse buys ("Oh, he's so cute!") and/or a lot of the general public doesn't have a clue about responsible acquisition of pets and don't realize that a pet store is *not* the place to buy a pup or kitten. People either don't know (I think this is true for the majority of people) or don't care (and I'd like to think this is the minority of people). These little guys are there, on display, right in front of your eyes, right in front of your kids' eyes, looking cute and tiny and neat and tidy - and, guess what? You can get everything you need right there, right then, right now. And they either come with registration papers (from AKC, UKC, or some bogus will-register-anything-that's-a-canine "registry) or are unregistered ("But that doesn't matter anyway, and that's why this one is so much less expensive."). It also, I believe, includes an aspect of instant gratification - there's the pup, here's the gear (to buy), sign on the dotted line, make out the check or pass the plastic, and that's it - until reality sets in later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura L Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Strange, who in his right mind would pay 800 bucks for a pup not knowing anything about the parents. I could pick up dozens of free non registered bc pups if I wanted (all just as cute as this one).... I don't want to burst your bubble, but lots of people. There's a pet store in Madison that regularly sells mixed breed and purebred puppies for $800-1000. I'll grant you they are spayed/neutered, up to date on vaccinations & come with puppy classes. But still...who knows who the parents are, what they're like, what sort of personalities. That's too much money in my mind for a dog that's just a pet. (And by just a pet I mean not a working dog. I have 3 that are just pets myself and I love them to death.) Laura Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz P Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Unfortunately, they can also be purchased with a credit card, while responsible breeders take cash. Those are also the puppy buyers who come in to the vet and are shocked that they have to come back mulitple times for boosters and actually pay for them. They discount older pups until someone feels sorry for them and "rescues" them from their tiny cages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemist Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 They discount older pups until someone feels sorry for them and "rescues" them from their tiny cages. And then the pet store pockets their profit, and uses a portion of it to buy more puppies from some puppy mill, condemning yet more dogs to a miserable life in cages churning out litters. I devoutly hope that no one savvy enough to be following these Boards would ever fall for acquiring a pup - no matter how deeply discounted - from a pet store. If you want to rescue a dog or pup, work with a legitimate rescue organization. That way you're supporting something good. A puppy acquired from a pet store isn't a rescue at all (which is why Liz put it in quote marks). It's a purchase, and its purchase only fuels more evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurae Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 And then the pet store pockets their profit, and uses a portion of it to buy more puppies from some puppy mill, condemning yet more dogs to a miserable life in cages churning out litters. I devoutly hope that no one savvy enough to be following these Boards would ever fall for acquiring a pup - no matter how deeply discounted - from a pet store. If you want to rescue a dog or pup, work with a legitimate rescue organization. That way you're supporting something good. A puppy acquired from a pet store isn't a rescue at all (which is why Liz put it in quote marks). It's a purchase, and its purchase only fuels more evil. I agree, of course, but want to add that this is why education is so important. You do the best with what you know at the time. Many smart people start out not understanding the business of puppy mills and pet stores, and the pups are awful cute. Once they become educated, they likely won't make the same choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejano Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I agree, of course, but want to add that this is why education is so important. You do the best with what you know at the time. Many smart people start out not understanding the business of puppy mills and pet stores, and the pups are awful cute. Once they become educated, they likely won't make the same choices. That's the tough thing -- some of the local pet stores, around here at least, are perfectly willing to adopt out cats from the local SPCA -- why not support dogs from rescue organizations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullet87 Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I worked at one of those mall pet stores for 3 weeks... Needless to say I couldn't stomach it after 1 week but wanted to do the right thing and give 2 weeks notice... Anywhos. Any puppy that we did not sell, I was told in training, within 2 weeks of having them were shipped to another store in the country. In the 3 weeks I worked there, we had 3 "shipments" come in... I found it weird that these cute puppies they are trying to sell are almost always asleep... Well I found out that in addition to giving the puppies all kinds of vitamins each day to keep them from getting sick (we always had at least 2 in the sick zone with kennel cough or some unknown disease...) they gave them something, which I can't remember the name to keep them from hurting themselves in the small cages... In other words they were giving drugs to keep them sleeping and calm all day long. The pet store I worked at gave the dogs this 2 times a day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithB Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 around here you can buy a pup from a reputable breeder who works and trials the parents successfully with registration for $850 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixx Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Pet stores like this are awful, they should be outlawed. That poor pup doesn't even have a decent, comfy surface to lay on... just metal bars. What a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachdogz Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Are you from Erie? If so, and the local pet store is Heartland, you can google it and find a lot of info and reviews...including one from a former employee and listing a few puppy mill breeders. Also, some cases against the pet store and some of the puppy mills. Interesting and very sad reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Cressa Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Well hopefully someone does buy him and if they are willing to spend 800 on a non register pup... maybe he does have a hope for an awesome life. And wont end up at a rescue. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTDogs Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 around here you can buy a pup from a reputable breeder who works and trials the parents successfully with registration for $850 That is actually high...my pup was $500 and she comes from working parents. Most other breeders I spoke with were in the same price range, with very few exceptions. I also looked all over the country & the prices were the same except the shipping costs if I'd gone that route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTDogs Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Well hopefully someone does buy him and if they are willing to spend 800 on a non register pup... maybe he does have a hope for an awesome life. And wont end up at a rescue. :-) NO! If someone buys him then the pet store will place an order for another BC pup because that one sold so quickly. You or someone could offer to rescue him when he doesn't sell or gets sick (ie- take him off their hands for free). I do not give pet stores any money for anything...I do not buy other stuff, or support them in any way. I don't even go inside so I will not be tempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachdogz Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 In his kennel I always only find him sleeping?! In my reading, I think the former employee said that they drug the dogs while in the small cages so they do not get too active and hurt themselves. If that's true, that would explain why he's always sleeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcv-border Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 That's the tough thing -- some of the local pet stores, around here at least, are perfectly willing to adopt out cats from the local SPCA -- why not support dogs from rescue organizations? The lastest newsletter from Best Friends had an article or two that highlighted the increasing numbers of pet stores that have turned away from selling puppies/dogs from breeding mills and, instead, are working with local rescues to adopt out dogs & puppies -- i.e. now the cages contain rescue canines instead of puppy mill puppies. Don't quote me on this, but I believe that ALL the Petland stores in Canada have adopted this strategy. These stores make their profits from pet food, toys, accessories and grooming services (when available). It would be nice to see this trend increase. Jovi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaporflowers Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 NO! If someone buys him then the pet store will place an order for another BC pup because that one sold so quickly. You or someone could offer to rescue him when he doesn't sell or gets sick (ie- take him off their hands for free). I do not give pet stores any money for anything...I do not buy other stuff, or support them in any way. I don't even go inside so I will not be tempted. Agree. Hopefully the demand for pet store puppies will continue to decrease and those awful places will go out of business. If that puppy does sell quickly, his parents will remain in a tiny, disgusting cage, and will continue to pop out candy-colored money makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsgyay Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 All puppies in pet shops start at 2200-2400 here, regardless of breed. Then as they grow older and no one wants them, the price drops. I've seen some dogs that weren't bought until 8 months old being dropped to about $200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Imagination the socialization issues (not to mention physical health issues when it's spend a good deal of its growing period sleeping in a tiny cage) an 8-month-old must have after living at a pet store for the first 6-7 months of its life. Sad. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsgyay Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Well the puppies and even the parents were most likely spending time in little cages in the first place (at the miller's place). I've also seen some really really sick puppies with bellies full of worms being sold as "fine." they said the pup just ate and that's why it was reluctant to move, droopy and had a hugely bloated and extended belly. I'm so glad that pet shop got shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie_Dog Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 The lastest newsletter from Best Friends had an article or two that highlighted the increasing numbers of pet stores that have turned away from selling puppies/dogs from breeding mills and, instead, are working with local rescues to adopt out dogs & puppies -- i.e. now the cages contain rescue canines instead of puppy mill puppies. Don't quote me on this, but I believe that ALL the Petland stores in Canada have adopted this strategy. These stores make their profits from pet food, toys, accessories and grooming services (when available). It would be nice to see this trend increase. Jovi Our local Petland recently adopted this strategy (good for them!). Only thing is, I work at Petsmart and at least once every week, someone will come in and ask where the puppies are. Once in a blue moon, when told that we do not sell puppies, they respond "Why not?" Last week, I couldn't help but notice a surge in the amount of people who came in looking for puppies. Guess they went to Petland, noticed they didn't have puppies, and went to the 2nd big-chain store, thinking that was the one that had the puppies. They look shocked when we tell them we don't sell puppies, never have. A young couple came in, wandered, came back to the front registers and asked me where the puppies were. When I told them the same token answer, they looked stunned. "We need a puppy!" Then they left. I'm still processing that answer. I gotta say, I had hope for this little city, and then I started working here and realized how hopeless much of our citizens are. Half the animals are intact, poorly-trained messes, and the owners don't have a single clue in their heads. I could chalk that up to plain ignorance/lack of knowledge, but for the constant battering of "Where are your puppies?" And people coming in wanting to put up posters for their "Puppies for Sale!" (we only have a board for lost/found), or just plain chattering away about the litters they've had. One lady seemed nice, but was talking about breeding her dog, and had been told that it was healthier to let her go through her first heat first. Apparently I have a thing against most things of a breeding nature, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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