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There are no words to describe how much I dislike this man.

[url="http://www.slate.com/id/2148138"]Katz, who else?[/url]

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no no no no no. I just hate him, and what he has done (so far) to his dogs, border collies, and all dogs in general. ick. It just leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

This was the worst for me:
[quote] [b]I had four choices.

I could build a more secure kennel for Orson behind the house, away from traffic and visitors.

I could find a more isolated and peaceful home for him, where fewer people visited to alarm him.

I could take Orson to a veterinary school like Cornell's for more sophisticated testing?MRIs, brain scans, further blood work?to make certain that no medical issue (a tumor, for example) was causing his violent behavior.

I could take him to my vet and have him killed.
[/b][/quote]I didn't the see the most OBVIOUS option on that list: go to a dog behaviorist.
jeeze, going to a trainer/behaviorist would be my first choice - but he didn't even put it on the list!

arg, just don't even get me started with Katz. :mad:

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Well, there was really only one more way to milk Orson's story for more fame and money, wasn't there?

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Sometimes I wonder if Orson's breeder realizes that the greatest disservice she ever did Orson, or even the BC breed as a whole, was to send him to this man who never had ANY business owning a border collie. Poor Orson.

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Just when I thought the world couldn't get more evil. Please somebody go up and kidnap all the critters under this guy's care.

The worst thing is, he's probably mostly right. I have no doubt this dog is now so screwed up he'd be out of place just about anywhere.

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I hate that guy. He has done nothing but exploit his dogs for profit from the start, and he obviously never should have had a BC in the first damn place. And now he is exploiting his murder of a dog who trusted him. I never like to think that I would wish ill upon anyone, but it is very hard for me not to wish that bad things would happen to that disgusting individual.

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Oh, for Ch***t's sake. What a complete ba***rd. Not content to tell the world that dogs only live 8 years, so an 8-year-old dog is too old to be helped by medicine or training, and so... (he trails off, leaving the obvious implication that you should just put the animal down), he is now suggesting that an animal with a behavioral problem has no options but to become a sort of expensively tortured quinea pig, to be imprisoned or to be destroyed. Oh, how I curse the day he ever crossed trails with the Border collie. And worse, the day he started to profit from his complacent and self-congratulatory ignorance.

Well. Maybe this will undermine his enormous and extremely misguided fan club. I personally think he's not just milking the story; I think he didn't want to put in the effort and the money to get the dog worked up medically and then worked up and treated by a behaviorist. Isn't that more or less typical of his usual tricks? He delvelops an enthusiasm and is all gung-ho about it until it becomes inconvenient or starts to either bore him or challenge him more than he feels up to. The mark of a basically lazy and shallow person, IMO.

Of course, these are just my opinions. But now I get to brace myself (professionally speaking) yet again against the results of his public idiocy.

GRRR! (Sorry, guys. I'll try to control myself now. Or at least stop swearing.)

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I agree with Kat's Dogs, the passage doesn't explore working with Orson to improve his behavior. I've read Katz's books and as he has written one after another, he has become more whiney and self-absorbed with each one. I became disgusted with his "choices" when he gave Homer away. Katz indicated that Homer was too timid and now he saying that Orson was too aggressive. Katz needs to look in a mirror and see the REAL reason that he has problems with his dogs. I first read his books becauses I was considering a bc and I was hoping he would give me some insight into what it's like to live with a border. I find Katz to be disingenuous in his presentation while giving dangerous information and advice about this truly remarkable breed of dog. By the time I read Dogs of Bedlam Farm, I was convinced that he had suffered some sort of breakdown and had no business writing about border collies. He is a selfish, selfish man with a massive ego. Charlene

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I had placed a request w/my library for a copy of this book when it becomes available. Mainly because I knew this book would be discussed on the Board and I wanted to be a reasonable person who had read the book before I started trashing Katz (ok, my mind was already closed but I was going to give him a chance to change it). After reading this thread, I've canceled the library request. I just can't stand to read about euth'ing an 8 yo bc w/o trying everything possible to save him. Poor Orson. At least Homer got a new home hopefully with a better owner.

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Perhaps one reason for his popularity is that his ignorance, selfishness, and whininess are satisfying and justifying to legions of readers who possess the same attributes when it comes to their relations with their companion animals...

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Yuck, what a pretentious pile of horseshit :mad: .

If keeping his dog alive is a selfish act to him, then what, exactly, is that dog to him? Surely not an INDIVIDUAL to whom he owes a lot, but rather some bragworthy extension of himself?

Okay, there's a lot of people who believe in "humans come first" and I respect that, even though I do not believe in it, but the way he talks about his dogs sometimes...could have fooled me if it wasn't for the whiney tone.

[quote]Where was the balance between the care and money I lavished on Orson and the needs of human beings?[/quote]I wonder if he ever gave the money he saved on vet bills by killing Orson to his poor neighbours after all?

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Melanie and Ak Doc:
You both hit the nail on the head. One, he is looking to sell books, and two, he thinks it is worse to try and fix the problem than kill the dog.
You know, I never really was affronted by him before. Now, however, I see the true man. A man who's entire life is based around writing "books" by a vanity press; books who appeal to those of us who long to have a farm. He has subverted all that is solemn and sacred about farming and sheepdogs.
Julie

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Hey! Sue, I'm in Bridgeport, WV, so we're only about a half hour away from one another! Hi neighbor! One of the first things that impressed me about Katz was his observation that we need to be flexible with our dogs and be willing to address problems that we have with dog behavior by changing OUR behavior. I am a firm believer in that philosophy. He went against that by his melodramatic keening about what to do about Orson. He would wax on in his books about his loyalty to his dogs..bah! I had a biter--this was when she was almost 13 years old, arthritic, with bad hips and a cranky attitude. The last three years of her life were exhausting for my family as we went to extensive lengths to keep her away from situations that might trigger a bite. (This seemed to be when she was lying asleep and someone stepped near her and she would leap up growling and snapping.) We had to sometimes sequester her from the chaos of the family. You know something? She had had it! She had earned her peace and it was our responsibility to serve her and make her a life of good quality and peace in her golden years. Having her put down would have been the easy way out, instead, we adjusted our lives to her, and I would not have given up the last few years of her life for anything. Each family's situation is different, but Katz's "flexibility" seems to grow thin when HE is uncomfortable. Charlene

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Has the man had a single dog past the age of 8? He can't seem to make it into the senior years with any of them!

I mean for crying out loud, you'd think they were cars the way he talks about them.

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He put Orson down for aggression in the summer of 2005 and then wrote a book about him called "A Good Dog".

In the Slate post yesterday, he asks in the subtitle "What should I do", suggesting he hadn't already done what he was going to do. He is also careful not to say what he did.

I guess he didn't want to spoil the ending of the book.

I wonder if this part of Orson's story will make it into the film version of "A Dog's Year"

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Call me green, but besides being an author who writes about his experiences with dogs, primarially bc's, I don't know much about Katz. What is everyone's big beef with him? Can someone provide some sort of foundation or background of why this man is "bad for the breed?" Just curious....

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Hi r b m,

I think if you do a 'search' on the forum, you will have your questions answered about Katz.

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I skimmed through a copy of this book at Borders today and I could not believe he had done it..... :rolleyes: Sorry for the spoiler...
Soul dog? THis is how you treat your soul dog? I am very disturbed by this.... :confused: I don't understand it. He did not go the extra mile for a dog that changed his life for the better......there is a quote by Charles Doran-" A man's soul can be judged by the way he treats his dog"....'nough said.....

Deborah

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You know what I'd love... I would love for someone to be able to take one of his problem dogs and rehabilitate them. Just to prove to this jackass that it is possible, and he's a moron who knows jack squat about BC's and dogs in general. This guy hacks me off so freaking bad!!!!!

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What?! You mean he might be the common denominator in his dogs problems?? :D

So now we have his method, get dogs, write a book about said dogs, then put them down when you can't get off your high horse to get real help for the poor mixed up pup.

And, Voila! you are an expert.... :rolleyes: :eek:


Just curious, does anyone know if he still has that Labs that were so wonderful?

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[quote]Originally posted by Maralynn:
[b]Just curious, does anyone know if he still has that Labs that were so wonderful? [/b][/quote]The first two died in A Dog Year of illness at what I consider middle age, but maybe not for bloated labs. I thought he currently had at least one lab, maybe two. He still has Rose and a new male BC. I wonder if he got him from the same breeder who gave him the previous 3 since he gave one away and put down another at age 8.

I'm still scratching my head over the fact that a good work-up to look for physical causes of the aggression was going to run 6 - 7 thousand. Maybe he should have come to the Midwest. Not that I think it would be cheap, but that seems seriously pricey.

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I have a dog like Orson. Solo is my heart's dog, no question. I would no sooner kill him than I would abandon a child, or cut off my own arm. Solo truly is my soulmate. I am pretty sure that Katz doesn't actually know what that means.

Katz lives on a farm, for Christ's sake. The entire time I've had Solo, I've lived in a major metropolitan area. If I can keep Solo out of trouble in the middle of the city, he could certainly keep Orson out of trouble out there in the country. And he couldn't be bothered to use a little bit of his money (earned on Orson's back, no less) to find out how to treat his dog? To at least try? I couldn't be more disgusted. What a heartless bastard.

By the way, I highly doubt I've spent anywhere near $6000 on Solo's issues. Time, frustration, heartache, and joy? Yes. If all Katz was looking at was a monetary outlay, to me, that was cheap. What I think is that he didn't have the balls to put in all the other stuff that's required, that has nothing to do with money.

If there's a hell, I hope this man finds himself in it. Not everyone would make the same choices I made with a dog like Solo, and that's fine. What I cannot, cannot, will not ever be able to stand are mealymouthed excuses, weak justifications, and claims that someone has done "everything he could" when he has not. I can see the argument for a tough choice if that argument is honest. Katz is disingenuous. That is the biggest disservice he's done to this breed, and poor Orson.

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Wow... I'm stunned. Haven't readmuch of his work before but all sorts of nasty adjectives are coming to mind in describing him now. I've run into folks like this in my ex-journalism career. He deserves to be eaten by the pack.
One sick individual!!!

-jay

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