Debbie Meier Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Anyone hear any news from the Finals? I think that Open runs were going to start this morning. eta: just found the results so far: http://www.usbcha.com/08%20-%20Cattle%20Do...ntry%20Form.htm Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airbear Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Coverage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Bo Boop Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Whoo Hooo, our own Jimmy Walker in the lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbie Meier Posted May 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 He just got bumped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWBC Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Go Tom!!!! Woo hooooo................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Bo Boop Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Well come on Red! Unchain ol' Blaze ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Bo Boop Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Looks like our Texan's Jimmy and Red are sitting pretty good after two rounds. When do they run the Nursery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbie Meier Posted May 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Looks like our Texan's Jimmy and Red are sitting pretty good after two rounds. When do they run the Nursery? I think they run both rounds of Nursery tomorrow. Bob Johnson called me this morning after his run with Paws, he was pretty pleased. Gave me a little update, he mentioned that there was a pretty hard draw to the exhaust yesterday and windy in the morning. Fingers crossed that he draws well this evening and gets Tip into the final, it's strange to only have one Iowa handler there. Also, watching Ruby in the Nursery class, I have her littermate here days from welping. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Well, of course I'm pulling for the Virginia-North Carolina contingent of Tom Forrester, Richard Rogers, and Dwight Parker! And Norma Stewart, too (even though she's from Georgia)! I'm especially rooting for Tom and Pete since Pete is Twist's half brother and Lark's grandaddy. And the board's Anna Guthrie (stockdogranch) seems to be doing well, sitting in 7th with Riddle (and Tikkle still to run)--I'll pull for her too. And I really like Bill Reed's Ann, though I've seen her only on sheep. She's a nursery dog and one to watch I think. And we must't forget Lana Rowley, who's sitting on top right now. Of course all they need do today is get into the top 20--it's all a clean slate come Saturday. A friend of mine talked to Dwight last night, and he said most of the cattle were pretty even but that there had been a few rank groups. Both rounds of nursery will be run tomorrow. The field (of contestants) is small this year, and I hope that doesn't bode ill for the cattle finals program. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbie Meier Posted May 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 The field (of contestants) is small this year, and I hope that doesn't bode ill for the cattle finals program Arn't they about 15 off of last years Open entries? With the state of the economy one would hope that a loss of 15 would not be considered real bad. Just thinking of some of the people that come to my mind that are usually there, but not this year: Jeff Mundorf with 2 - 3, Pete Carmichael with 2 - 3, Curtis Dukes with 2, Larry Painter with 2, a handful of handlers can make the difference of matching the previous years entries, falling short or shooting beyond. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelliwic Border Collies Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Well, of course I'm pulling for the Virginia-North Carolina contingent of Tom Forrester, Richard Rogers, and Dwight Parker! And Norma Stewart, too (even though she's from Georgia)! I'm especially rooting for Tom and Pete since Pete is Twist's half brother and Lark's grandaddy. And the board's Anna Guthrie (stockdogranch) seems to be doing well, sitting in 7th with Riddle (and Tikkle still to run)--I'll pull for her too. And I really like Bill Reed's Ann, though I've seen her only on sheep. She's a nursery dog and one to watch I think. And we must't forget Lana Rowley, who's sitting on top right now. Julie, So you're pretty much rooting for everybody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Hey Megan, Yeah, I like all those folks, but in truth I'm rooting for Tom and Pete. Here's the top 20 for the double lift: Lana Rowley and Kell Jimmy Walker and Bill Jimmy Walker and Mitch Tom Forrester and Pete Red Oliver and Blaze Bob Johnson and Paws Bill Reed and Lad Norma Stewart and Jill Anna Guthrie and Riddle Bob Wagner and Dori Tony Stewart and Lad? Craig Rogers and Jake Juan Reyes and Red Bill Reed and Ann Craig Rogers and Luke Bob Johnson and Tip Richard Rogers and Molly Norma Stewart and Lena Wendy Schmaltz and Gin Tim Gifford and Ching Debbie, I think they will take 60 (65?) for the finals. I'm sure that the economy is the reason, and of course there were plenty of eastern handlers who didn't go which cut the numbers as well, but I imagine the finals need to pay for themselves or closeto it, so there must be a break even point. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaBluez Tess Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 I'll be rooting for the women handlers...you go, girls!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Lana and Anna were sponsored by board members, so I am rooting for them in particular, but still wish all a safe, enjoyable, satisfying run! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Bo Boop Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Wow, Jimmy Walker and Oreo, a 230! I'm not surprised, that's really nice dog, does well on sheep too. Hope our other Texan, Dal Lamphere and Ted, knock one out too ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcollie Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Lana has been reporting in. Sounds like the cattle are nice. The wind has been a bit of an issue for some runs. Hopefully it won't be windy for the finals tomorrow! As to the small numbers, it is mostly people from that part of the country with a handful who have traveled. Although a great site and a hospitable bunch, I think moving it around the country will bring the numbers back up. Lana and Marty have put in a bid for northern California. It would be great to see it back out here as it hasn't been in the west in almost a decade. There are those who think that the finals (both cattle and sheep) should stay in one place but I am a firm believer that rotating it around the country is better for the dogs and better for the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMSBORDERCOLLIES Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Lana has been reporting in. Sounds like the cattle are nice. The wind has been a bit of an issue for some runs. Hopefully it won't be windy for the finals tomorrow! As to the small numbers, it is mostly people from that part of the country with a handful who have traveled. Although a great site and a hospitable bunch, I think moving it around the country will bring the numbers back up. Lana and Marty have put in a bid for northern California. It would be great to see it back out here as it hasn't been in the west in almost a decade. There are those who think that the finals (both cattle and sheep) should stay in one place but I am a firm believer that rotating it around the country is better for the dogs and better for the sport. Go Lana and Kell. Good team. They work very well together........Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelliwic Border Collies Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Could someone describe the course for me, please? I am not too familiar with cattle trials, but from the articles in Working Border Collie (and now Stockdog Journal), it sounds pretty different from sheep courses. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Megan, Unless someone has an entry packet, we won't be able to tell you the exact course. In principle, it is set up basically like a sheep course, with OLF, drive, crossdrive, and pen. There's also usually a Y-chute before the pen. Scoring is different in that other than the OL, which is judged, the rest is based on points for obstacles made, usually 5 points per head (15 per obstacle if all head make it through). From what I gather from the 2009 rules listed on the website, the qualifying runs have a handler's "box," which would be an area outlined in the handler's meeting (and maybe even marked) within which the handler is allowed to move during parts of the course (usually this area allows the handler to move around behind the handler's post and to the left and right, without crossing a line to the front, so the handler could, say, help the dog make the turn at the post). As with sheep, the obstacles are usually make or miss, but rather than get points off for missing an obstacle, the team gains points for each head that goes through an obstacle. And of course lines aren't judged, but obviously if your cattle are all over the place, then you're eating up time, so straight lines between obstacles are still beneficial. There are rules regarding head that turn back through an obstacle (like the chute), etc., and when points will be awarded or not. Time comes into play as a tiebreaker if two or more teams end up with the same number of points. That's just a very general description, but the best I can do having not seen the actual course for this particular finals. ETA: Qualifying trials can be set up differently, and that's probably why you're thinking the trials are so different from sheep trials. Whereas sheep trials have a pretty standardized course, cattle trials can be quite variable, but once you get to the finals, the course tends to be very similar to the sheep finals course (with the addition of a Y chute and some minor changes like the handler's box). J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbie Meier Posted May 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Megan, Here's a link to a photographer that is at the finals. I don't know when the pictures will be available but they may help you get a visual: http://photosbybren.com/ncf.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Bo Boop Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Wow! Looks like Texans rule! Red won the Open and Jimmy won the Nursery, how sweet is that! Well done guys and dogs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Anna Guthrie and Riddle, sponsored by folks here, took fifth in the Open Final. Anna and Tikkle (sponsored by Nicole Rhodes and Stockdog Journal) did not do quite so well in the Nursery Final but had nice runs in the preliminaries. Lana Rowley and Kell were tops in the Open Preliminaries but didn't have a good run in the Open Final - or maybe she just wanted to let someone else have a shot at winning this year. Congrats to all who competed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelliwic Border Collies Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 A quick (belated) thanks for the input on the course! And I'll be looking forward to persuing the pics when they're up. (Their links don't seem to be working right now.) ETA: I think I'll be perusing the pics, not "persuing" them, lol. (Although I may chase them down eventually, heheheh.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaBluez Tess Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Way to go, Texans!! a Texan myself---Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdarling Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 But ... Lana and Nell placed third in Nursery. Way to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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