Just so you know, we don't breed "indiscriminately" we did research it, I obviously missed the boat on this one. We have had 3 litters in 12 years, so not like we are mass producing for the money. It has been suggested we put this pup down as they are a liability for biting, and we could be sued as breeders. There was no way to contact the breeders of our original dog, they have moved away, to research the white factoring. Around here, there are border collie X's with everything, and people still get several hundred dollars for those pups......walk through the dog pound and its border collie this and that. Many farmers don't spay/neuter because it costs money, just ask my neighbor with all of his creepy looking inbred cats......ewwwwwwwww. Owner of sire has had lots of positive feedback he tells me on the white dogs for herding....no I don't think he was hiding it, he didn't realize about the deafness has not encountered it. So maybe thats it for us, will spay her and be done!