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  1. It's great Kristine Thanks for making me smile. That's what I'm talking about, just people doing things with their dogs and enjoying it. Now I'll have to see about actually videoing one or both of the routines I'm working on with Kayzie. Maybe pull Maverick out of "retirement" for another dance, which he really, really likes doing
  2. So sad I adopted a border collie out to a gentleman who had just come out of a messy divorce. His wife had cheated on him and then went to court to get custody of his dogs. So, she took both dogs, which had been his dogs before they got married. That was just wrong.
  3. One more because I can't leave out Carolyn Scott and Rookie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqbVbPvlDoM&feature=fvwp&NR=1
  4. And a little newer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOFTUV-UztI&feature=fvsr And Sandra Davis and Pepper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e01RFf9Tr5w&feature=plcp&context=C38b0d12UDOEgsToPDskISj5BHEkpkkIWgx2r_UIqd
  5. And this from a 4H friend of mine who is now training big cats, this is from when she was just starting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9xDlAGNYT0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs3x-wwe5Eg&feature=related
  6. Just because I was so upset from The Thread That Shall Not Be Named, I would like to see some freestyle videos of y'all and your dogs. Unfortunately, none of my live routines were ever videoed I do a lot of performances for local volunteer organizations and the Boy Scouts, and that's enough for me right now, but I'd love to see everyone else's Here's the Attila and Fly vids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi4qvMmWJWs&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crmD_B8ERzk
  7. First, make sure there isn't a medical problem, like thyroid. Second, it's not unusual for a dog to redirect its frustration and bully a "weaker" dog. Happens with humans too, just think of a high school, which people are routinely bullied? The ones that appear weaker and don't fight back. Targeting smooth coats and short hairs is a learned behavior most likely. At six, it's going to be more difficult, but you have to teach her a better way to express her frustration. Usually, I recommend a mix of BAT/CAT and CU techniques in situations like yours (mind you this is without seeing, so *shrug*), Look at that game, circular walking, etc. Chances are, it'll never be "fixed," but it can be managed to a certain extent.
  8. Thank you Julie, exactly what I was going to say. Way to "build bridges" Serena. It's a good thing tracking doesn't involve any brains, otherwise all those SAR dogs would be useless (extreme sarcasm if you can't tell). You want to see masterful timing? Try Attlia and Fly, arguably one of the best teams this world has ever seen. So it's not ballet, but the skill it takes to get to this level can still be appreciated. I dare you, Serena, to even attempt something like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crmD_B8ERzk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi4qvMmWJWs&feature=related I need to leave this thread now before I get really nasty.
  9. That's too funny. I hide the dog's Christmas presents with the grooming tools because they never check there... until this year. Now they all gather around when I reach for the drawer.
  10. I did a lot of obedience work with Kayzie in high distraction environments before putting her on stock. We also worked A LOT on self control, more so than I have ever done with a dog. IME, which is limited to Kayzie and Kellie, Kayzie listens better and seems to be progressing quicker with the amount of training I did before putting her stock than Kellie did. Kellie's obedience skills prior to being put on stock were very limited. Kayzie's first try, she was very excited and had some trouble stopping at first, but she caught on quickly and is much more controllable. I've also noticed that gradually our lessons have been getting longer and longer as we get better and better. Granted, we're nowhere near ready for trail or ranch work, but I'm happy with her progress.
  11. Thank you, Kristine. Nice runs Okay, the UKC. First, in order to understand the obstacles used, you have to remember that the UKC is very much a performance registry. They routinely have Terrier Races and Hunt trials among other things, and, as far as I know, for the longest time they were the only all breed registry that allowed you to register and compete fixed mixed breeds alongside purebreds in everything except conformation. That, and the fact that the UKC is based in Kalamazoo literally 5 minutes from where I live so there are a lot of shows I could attend, appealed to me. I got started several years ago with Maverick in obedience and rally, but the problem with his back legs prevented us from entering any agility trials. My only prior experience with trialing had been going to AKC shows. At those shows, I was not impressed. Any questions I had were met with a certain air of contempt...if the person took the time to talk to me at all. Not a warm and welcoming reception, and it left me very, very nervous about even trying to trial. My first UKC show was local, I knew Maverick was ready, so I entered him and went expecting something similar to what I had experienced at the AKC. Not at all. Night and day difference. Never once did anyone I met put Maverick down because he's a rescued mix and they were very supportive and tolerant of my questions. The basic philosophy is "everyone was new once." I've a few nasty people in the UKC, but they seem to be few and far between. I am by no means an expert in UKC agility. I've run AKC-style in 4H, teach the basics to prevent injury, and have built my own equipment. My business partner knows a lot more than I do, so she's the one that runs the classes while I play backup and assistant. The highest attainable title in UKC Agility is UGRACH. Like the MACH, a dog ca achieve it several times, so you can have a UGRACH5 or higher. They have all the standard equipment (bar jumps, Aframe, dog walk, teeter, tunnels, chutes, tire jump, pause box/table, weave poles) plus a lot more. Running a UKC course requires the dog to really trust their handler. There are several types of blind hurdles where the dog can't see what's beyond the jump, sway bridges and swing planks, crawl tunnel, a hoop tunnel, platform jump, and so many different kinds of hurdles that I won't even attempt to describe them all. You can fault. I'm still learning the rules about those, so I'm not going to go into it. It's all in the rulebook. The times have been very reasonable in the shows I've been to, and you have to come in under time to Q. Here's the link to the 2011 Agility Rulebook. I don't have any videos of my own, but I found some with nice runs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaPNVOfA85g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP5e1vZO6k8
  12. Umm... Kristine, I can't see the video. It says it's private. Give me a few and I'll put something in here for the UKC venue.
  13. KelliePup


    My deepest condolences for your loss.
  14. Is everyone having little stock pups!?! Y'all are going to throw off my time table for getting a new little boy! Seriously though, congratulations! The name suggestions are good ones
  15. No vet that I know would perform a surgery on a puppy that small. That's where size and weight comes in. I did not say, "a sheepherder should spay at this young of an age if an agility person who wants a young pup from their lines." What I said is that the only way to be absolutely certain a dog was not used for breeding was to spay/neuter it before it goes to its new home. I said that a bit tongue in cheek from a rescuer's mentality because I know the logistics of it are really not possible, but the sentiment, that being 100% certain the dog is not bred, holds true because, while a contract could be broken with really no legal ramifications, the surgery is irreversible. The next best suggestion I have read on this thread is a co-ownership arrangement until the surgery takes place when the dog is older.
  16. I think perhaps we are using different definitions. I am using both sentience and the soul as interconnecting elements in the definition of a person. Sentience in the terms of using the conscious mind, ie reasoning, to determine courses of action rather than acting on instinct. The soul, among other definitions, is defined as a person's moral nature. The law is very much into the definition of a person, as is evidenced with the US shady history regarding women and ethnic groups (especially these, Native and African Americans were not thought to possess a soul, therefore they were not human) other than Caucasian. That's a good point. I had forgotten about ambiguous genitals. They did a special about it on tv a while ago, but I'm afraid I don't remember much except that the adult children were irate when they found out what had happened. It does pose an interesting case though about whether the actual genitalia is needed for the body to release testosterone and estrogen in sufficient quantities for gender identity as the child grows. There was another case some years ago about a mother castrating her son to get back at her husband. I just can't remember where I read it... It's not common, but it does occur from time to time. I suspect animal cruelty charges could be leveled at such a person. The judge or the jury would have to decide. Yeah... I don't know what to make of the story behind that thread. I don't know why anyone would do it that way when there are other, safer methods to use?
  17. I would postulate that it isn't all about consent (btw, you have to be conscious of the self to give consent), especially in criminal cases, as animals are considered property and, aside from euthanasia to dangerous animals, are not responsible, by law, for their actions. The owner, as the sentient one in the relationship, is. The underlying question, especially in juvenile cases and mental illness defenses, is "did the defendant know right from wrong?" That implies adhering to a moral code, dubbed by some as a soul. Very interesting otherwise, but not what I was referencing. Try this (warning: disturbing). ETA: The mother was found guilty. There are four parts to operant conditioning. My personal feelings are to use all four in conjunction with the human's and the dog's personalities and learning styles for maximum efficiency in training. Basically, there needs to be a balance. I have found, IME, that knowing several different methods is helpful because dogs respond differently from one another. Of course, I still have my default method that I start with...
  18. And that is your personal preference, but I recommend you research why, scientifically, you feel that way instead of anthropomorphizing dogs in your reasoning. There have been cases of parents castrating their children. It makes the news every time it happens, and these parents go to court and pay for their crimes. In humans, it is considered a crime because it is believed that humans are sentient and have a soul whereas animals do not. It is also customary certain religions to circumcise male infants. This practice has been found to be less traumatic on infants than on grown men, and has many health benefits, including the decrease in infections. By this definition, toy breeds, teacup breeds, then and cats should never be spayed or neutered. Not to mention small animals such as ferrets, whose adult weights vary from approximately 2 to 5 pounds. Consider this: the adult size and weight of toy breed is roughly the same as a mid to large sized dog 2 to 3 months of age. (The rescues and vets I know will not spay/neuter younger than 8 weeks) It is also a medical fact that younger creatures heal quicker than older ones with fewer complications. What is in dispute, however, is whether the growth and pubescent hormones are diminished during the alteration and/or play an important part in the dog’s physical and mental development. Overall size at the time of the surgery really doesn’t enter into the equation. Age, however, is an important factor since the younger dog is more likely to bounce back than an older dog. My personal opinion in the matter is that the hormones to play an important part during development. I base this on research I have done and my own observations. Therefore, I am in favor of later spays and neuters. My preference may be swayed if new scientific evidence revealing otherwise comes to light. Researching these topics is important because there is almost always a delicate balance of evidence that must be weighed. There are medical studies to suggest that dogs are at higher risk of cancer the longer they remain intact. Other studies show increased behavioral issues in intact dogs. Reports such as these, and others, must be weighed against pet overpopulation, statistical mortality rates, reported growth abnormalities, and even reports of decreased drive. These are the issues that matter, not anthropomorphizing dogs into human children. The trauma that damages growth plates is what makes it so difficult to get conclusive evidence on whether early spay/neuter causes growth abnormalities. Because of what I want my dogs to do, I prefer to err on the side of caution and keep my dogs intact until that benefit, IMO, balances the risks. Accidental matings is another risk that rescues must take into account. As soon as an intact male dog can produce sperm, he is capable of siring pups, and this can happen before the age of six months. Six months is a guideline, an average, not a rule. By the same token, a bitch can become impregnated during her first heat, which, again, can happen before six months. John and Jane Q. Public are not going to know this, especially since puppies in general are still very much an impulse buy. Since rescues are in the non-profit business of placing dogs and puppies from accidental breedings, they are going to do their best to prevent future accidental breedings. This means exploring, and often acting on, the option of early spays and neuters before the puppy goes to its new home. It's fine if you don't agree with it, no judgement here, but I, personally, like to see the reasoning based on logical and scientific facts, not suppositions, assumptions, or gut feelings. I even tell my nieces and nephews that if they want me to even consider their conclusions then they must present me with a logical argument based on fact. That means they have to research both sides, all aspects of the available data, and present both pros and cons. If nothing else, it gets them to question things a lot more, research all the data, and come up with their own opinions. The only exception to the above is a matter of religion. That one rests solely on faith in my family. Quick disclaimer: I am not an expert in canine medical problems. I did not go to school for it and I do not assist in the actual research. What I have done is self study of the published findings, balanced the perceived risks and benefits, and analyzed my own tendencies and failings as a dog owner to arrive at the youngest age that I am comfortable with when spaying or neutering my own dogs. If I get a puppy from a rescue, I either have to adhere to their regulations, or, in a few cases because they know me, compromise on an age that is agreeable to us both.
  19. So, Maverick wants an encore. He didn't think it very fair that Kayzie got three pictures and he only got one. So here's one more, one of better ones over all in fact. He's so serious and focused in this one.
  20. LOL! I love Odin's expression in that first picture. It's like you can just hear him saying "Really? You can't be serious. I'm not even allowed to chew on my own leash."
  21. If we follow the "when to use an adversive" tree/model, then I would have to agree. For something this serious, perhaps even an e-collar, correctly used, is in order.
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