Neither do I, which is why I put the quotations around it...cause not really the word i was looking for...Like I just want the full attention of the dog before we go to working stock...While I work with what i am going to be saying to the dog. Like a person probally wouldnt train a dog on anything, any breed, with a bunch of kids running around the dog touching it talking to it while you are trying to teach it something, and I AM NOT SAYING that sheep do that just an example. Just how I feel. I understand how the magority trains....insted of teaching off, you teach with the commands as the dog moves freely as it works. I have trained a few like this. Older dogs for people that had no interrest in training off sheep. Which can happen,(mostly in older dogs, which is why i train young) which in that case I take them in my small round pen and I do the same thing you all do.
Very Nice take a hold there too But like you said nice and clean, which is one problem I sometimes still have with Scott. He will latch on to turn something and not let go...but now that he is ,goodness, 5 I think or 6, He doesnt do it anymore, unless he gets really pissed off which in working 1000 lb cattle you sometimes have to be a little rouch to get what you want. When he was a pup though it was our biggest issue.
What a beautiful outrun she has also!! I agree that the most experience a dog will get is in every day working life, learning the situations and predicting the next three steps.
Oh goodness...I have trained...well I havent had any to train in the last probally 3 yrs to 4yrs rather than my own. and my parents(which as well be mine) I have trained 7 of my own.....and I would train two a summer, and been doing that up to the point when I backed off, about 8yrs of public work. Now by advanced. Not sure but the dogs when they left my farm..I could have one dog bring a herd of cattle from the far pasture all the way to the coral for me and doing with it style and know how, and I could have her/him take them whereever I wanted....then I would bring the owner to me and have them work the dog, So they could see before they left that the dog was working. Cause I am firm believer of you have to put a little training in the handler/owner as well. I have never done anything but border collies though. So like I said I never really got into the big trialing...didnt find it ness really. Didnt have the time either..
Watched your videos, Very good job!! May is very nice dog with natural talent. Got to hate those cross overs, When I was watching it before it got to the point where you put a stay on her and met half way, I was saying that to myself...I bet she does this and sure enough... Maybe this will help make it little more understanding...I understand that most do not want to put alot of pressure on a younge dog. I agree, dont want to discourage them when they are young cause then i might turn off, So you dont put anything on them, well thats kinda where I use the dry training, it is putting commands on the dog without the dog not even realising that it is "working" Although it is, Everything BCs do is working. So then when they first go on sheep, we have something to just kinda help them realise what i want them to do, and what they need to do. Without really having to get on to them hard and risk disscouraging them.
My dogs and most of the dogs that I have trained for other people have gone to work cattle that have never seen a dog in its life. and did very well and helped their owners so much. Which is a joy to me. All my trained dogs right now I can send them and never look back and I know they will have the stock right there and be right where they need to be. It just comes with experience of working, not because I made them familar with something they are going to need to know later on. Like I said though I havent competed in anything high advanced, although I have no dought that my dogs could do it
Also, A lot of the words that I am reading, makes it sound like I am not working the dog on stock at all, and I am completely working the dog myself and not letting it move...That is incorrect. I am just letting the dog get a feeling for what is going to be hearing the same thing you all do when you get a dog ready for commands. I let the dog move on its own. but there are cases where you have to tell that dog what you want...Now i am giving these experiences as a farmer, and Lord knows we can get ourselves into some problems where if we did not have that dog lisening to us then we would be in big trouble you all act like you dont use any commands or that you do not need them...then why do trialers have whistels and people give commands while they work...They want the dog to do it on their own yes i agree 100% and predict what the stock is going to do thats why they are #1 herding partners cause they can do that....but at the same time they lisen to where they have to put the stock..and by that the dog puts it all together. A can run after a cow..and the cow is not going to respect me like it does the dog, trust me i have tryed it
Anyways, I think my fingers are going to fall off now,