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  • Birthday 04/01/1988

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    Lake Orion, Michigan
  1. Back then, Collies were Border Collies. The word "Border" was later added to distinguish the working Collie from the new Show Collie. Many people still call their Border Collies just Collies or Sheepdogs. Cool picture!
  2. How many of these above dogs go back to the Blue or whatever the dogs name was who was registered on a merit through ISDS without a known pedigree? Can you post your carrier dog's pedigrees? And the "farm" dogs from the UK? And maybe a few example pedigrees of the other working dogs being tested and prove as carriers thatyou know of? We test for CEA because blind dogs are useless as sheepdogs. And yes, I've seen dogs/heard of dogs affect by it. I've also seen/heard of dogs with epilepsy and deafness in young dogs. TNS and CL? Never.
  3. As much as Iwould love to believe it wouldn't affect any of these small scale quality breeders I believe it will, maybe not this time but next time. Next it will be a mandatory spay/neuter law unless you do have a licenses and are inspected. I hate puppy mills but the answer isn't stronger detailed laws. The answer is simply enforcing the current laws. If you can't enforce the current laws with these large mills now, how are you going to enforce new more detailed laws? If the current laws were harshly enforced today, the money from the violations could employee the much needed man power to make these mega mills either have to comply or shut their doors. More detailed laws with the same huge lack of funds and man power will do nothing more then what is being done now.
  4. I was the one who brought it to the attention of Eileen that Elise's mother had passed away. When I talked to Elise (yes, I did take that time, like I stated in my last post) she had stated her mother had passed away recently. I believe she was dealing with it by filling that "void" with Border Collies and I can only guess that is how her father originally felt about it. She seemed interested in rescue, however that worked out, I do not know. I did not get any impression from her at that time through IM that she was still interested in breeding after the postings here. BUT. We know how fast the minds of teenagers change. I think this whole thing would have worked out differently if Elise had came here for the approval of the working community in this breed and had any real interest in the Border Collie as a working dog but she didn't. Just like you cannot change the views of someone who thinks Border Collies should be shown in the conformation ring, you will not change someones mind that believes it beneficial to breed these dogs for anything other then their working ability. But maybe Elise did come here with interest in the Border Collie as a working dog but lost interest with the lack of titles, fancy names and cool colors. Maybe she did try herding but her dog wasn't cut for it because of lack of better breeding. Just like any person that breeds their pet, they do it because they "love" them and want one just like them. And for some, it grows bigger then that. It is clear that Elise has made her mind up, now being 18. There is no turning back time, what is done is done. She is her own person and had paths to choose for herself and she chose the path she is on. There is always a easy way out and breeding Border Collies for anything other then working ability is the Border Collies owners easy way to breeding. This is why there are so many being bred for anything and everything but working ability. And yes, the thread was closed when I made Eileen aware of Elise's mothers passing. I do find it questionable though that it was stated Jake was neutered but now he is being used as a breeding dog. Is he really still intacted or is it just his pedigree? Katelynn
  5. Or was Jake actually neutered and still producing puppies?
  6. If you and your dad leave, who is going to take care of your sisters 4 dogs while she comes and stays the night a couple nights a week? This just doesn't sound like a good situation for for her dogs or yours. As a landlord, if I say one dog, I mean one dog all month long. Not one dog half the month and a extra 1-5 the other half.
  7. I don't believe I ever defended her from what I wrote. I did talk to her in a IM (once, maybe twice) and she was very insistent on the fact that she'd be spaying and neutering her dogs. We also talked about why a Border Collie should and should not be bred. I asked all the right questions and she gave the right answers. If I am correct, her mother had recently passed at the time and I chalked most of it up to being attention seeking behavior. Clearly, years later, that is not the case. So for anyone on this board who believes no one spent the time and effort to help this girl understand with a bit of compassion, you are very wrong. It is clear she did not want to hear what was being said and did not take any information that was openly offered to her.
  8. DISTURBING EVIDENCE According to the second thread above, Jake, is altered. According to the the website, Jake (spelled differently), is now owned by the breeder and is a breeding dog? Isn't it hard to breed a dog that has been altered? Damn near impossible I think. Unless . . . Katelynn
  9. It took me about four years to get my oldest female to like water. She has been a dock dog ever since. And she will be 13 this year and is still jumping! All my dogs swim and none of them started out that way, it took lots of effort. I only have one that still would rather not but will to retrieve a ball if someone else from the pack isn't there to get to it first (maybe she just doesn't like the race like the other ones). Katelynn
  10. Anyone remember a few years ago that girl posted about her Border Collies she was going to breed? Her brother and dad got on to say they weren't breeders and would never breed their dogs? Elise " " was her name. Well, I just counted 43 dogs on a site "maintained" by her which includes the dogs they "weren't ever going to breed." All 43 are breeding dogs besides 4 which are said retired ones. According to the site, all the dogs but two are now owned by "Claudia Wheeler" who is the LLC holder for this little breeding business. On this site, it says it is very rare that a puppy of theirs has not been sold by 6 weeks old and they are ready for pick up at 7 weeks old. Well 9 of the 10 puppies (three litters all together already and we are only half way through March) she has posted are still available and only one is "pending." They have the exact day listed that the puppies can go home via pick up and the exact day they can be shipped (cost of shipping, $300.00 on top of whatever they are charging for the puppies). Oh and did I mention they have 13 more "possible" breeding's planned for 2011? So all together, we can say pretty safely say, based on the information posted, 80 - 100 puppies will be produced this year from these people? All their dogs are proudly registered with the ABCA (banner and all!) and they accept PayPal! Did I mention the dogs are a bunch of very pretty colors? I am not posting the link for obvious reasons. If you want a look, you can PM me. I just don't want Joe Blow taking a looking and buying one of these little poor souls from these idiots.
  11. My dogs still point. They could make some awesome bird dogs. Oh, did I mention they do dock jumping too? Katelynn
  12. I teach a drop in agility class. I have dogs, mutts and dogs of all breeds (not any Border Collies, funny enough) running a basic coarse successfully within minutes. By their third drop in (5 runs each drop in) they are ready for an intermediate class. A dog is only as good as its trainer and handler when it comes to agility, there is no natural instinct these dogs need to be bred for. So the question is silly and the deed is down right stupid. As for working dogs being good at agility and other sports. I have a nice little pack of working bred dogs. My oldest is 11, going to be 12 in July. She still whips all the young ones on any coarse and I still cannot keep up with her. She has never been lame in her old age and I am almost to the point where I believe she never will be till the day she dies. She doesn’t need a crowd to be happy running a agility coarse but she sure does draw one. She just had her first blood panel done, at 11, almost 12 and the vet told me there isn’t a thing I need to change in her care. To say the least, he was shocked but I wasn’t. Her Grandmother, died at 18 years old after a long life-working sheep on her family farm here in Michigan. She worked sheep till the day she passed. Her Father is still alive and kicking, working sheep daily on that same family farm and he is going to be 14 or 15. I am positive he’ll work sheep the till the day he dies, just like his mother. I’ll never breed for anything other then my dogs abilities to work livestock because I love my dogs dearly and want them with me for as long as possible and as sound as long as possible. I love people’s faces when they learn my oldest dog’s age. It makes me proud of what I believe ii and it makes believers of others. People can buy their dogs from where they want, they can breed them for what they want. It doesn’t make them Border Collies. Being in the dog world, we quickly find that pedigrees mean nothing, only the dog at hand does. Katelynn
  13. As a breeder, you should only be breeding to better the breed. In this case, breeding to better the breed is ONLY breeding dogs whose working ability is superior. Any mutt off the street can do agility (or any sport for that matter), enjoy it and be good at it. Sports are just for fun, no one needs to depend on correct breeding to be successful at them or have fun. Rachers and farmers do depend on their dogs and their breed to do things correctly becasue livestock and money depends on them. Katelynn
  14. So I have a friend who owns a Border Collie. She believes the dog to be working bred, I'd consider the dog sport bred. The dog is younger, a bit stir crazy and isn't as sound as she should be. We've had chats about the breed, show bred vs. working bred vs. sport bred. We've talked breeders and health testing, everything under the sun. Shes been to these Boards and has read. Sadly, her opinion on working dogs isn't what I'd think and the ideals shes gotten from this Board isn't want I'd want. First, she is a firm believe that all working dogs are bred without off switchs. I personally live at home with four working bred Border Collies and three other random mutts. They aren't crazy dogs. They sleep in their crates on their own accord or in the bay window and chew on a bone here and there. They go outside a few times a day, really just enough to go potty. Their "switch" is always off unless I pull out a ball or bring a few sheep in the living room (haha). My dogs sit in the car for hours with me, going places, going to work, just for a drive or to a frineds. People walk past my car, stop and say hi and my dogs merely look up to say hello and carry on with their naps. Second, she is positive all farmers and ranchers shoot their dogs who aren't good enough and can no longer work for whatever reason. I am still dumbstruck by this, as to me, a sheep farm isn't a sheep farm without a retired ole' dog laying on the porch. I know in this world, we sometimes retire dogs to Novice handlers to learn from or too homes less demanding. I still haven't heard of anyone I'd consider a good breeder (someone breeding for and testing their dogs ability) who takes their less then good dogs out back. Third. Her mind is made up that working breeders do not test their dogs for health problems. I've only ever owned one breeding dog and she was CERF'd, OFA'd and DNA test. Sure, not for this TNS and CL but that is besides the point. So, for the first point of view. I think a lot of people get the wrong idea about this amazing breed because a lot of the dog fancy believes that dogs who are sport bred are working bred and that is some of, if not the only hands on they ever get with what they would consider a real working bred dog. Second, I believe the farmers and ranchers shoot dogs because they aren't good enough is the dog fancys thing. Its something they always bring up. Farmers and ranchers who shoot dogs aren't in it for the dogs or the breed, they are in it for their bussiness which is rasing livestock, not dogs. Good working breeders are in for the dogs. Most of us have the same views on abuse and neglect, must of us would throw punchs over a dog I believe. Third. I believe most people breed to keep the ability in this breed are testing their dogs for the normal, hips and eyes. Some even more then that. Maybe because none of us really want to send our dogs results to the Border Collie Health page to be posted along side dogs whose breedings we don't agree with (I know that is why my dogs results aren't up there). But I have been told this view stems from this Board. Now, I know there is a lot of "fancy" thinking and doing behind a lot of these views. So I am interested in what people here think and know. What breeders here do with dogs when they don't work out as planned, what they do with retired dogs who are to old to work and what everyone tests for and what they don't test for and why. FYI. I did not make this post to bash the thinking of this person, I find her to be a very good friend who I respect greatly. I just was shocked as to her interpretation of this Board and its community. Katelynn
  15. Is he still on puppy food? Sorry to hear about the news. OCD and CHD suck.
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