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  1. As the new owner of a GSD puppy, other factors also play into it. My breeder insists (per contract) that we give our puppy Vitamin C as he is growing along with MSM and Glucosamine. But most importantly keeping the puppy thin and on a RAW diet. His parents are working dogs with clear OFA ratings, but that alone is not enough. I am also a member of a couple working dog forums and that seems to be the consenses from everyone, including people who have older and still working GSDs. They also say that not over exercising or under exercising the puppy while its growing factors in. Once you have a dog with bad hips, keeping the dog very thin and swimming them as much as you can helps to build up the muscle to support the joint more, thus the dog having less visible symptoms. Dante is five months now, and looks to have good hips thus far according to our vet, but still has a lot more growing to do.
  2. Dremel!! Only way to go... gets the nails much shorter and smoother without the quick getting hit. As for noise I use a named brand, plug in type from home depot for my vaccume terrified border collie and he doesn't mind in the least. This is a dog that will bite groomers who clip his nails. Just takes some time to get them use to it... chicken or steak helps this processes move quicker...
  3. No its Bravo! frozen tripe, its nasty and not for humans!! lol I was thinking of adding it to every few meals. He eats once a day and right now is at 1.5 lbs per days plus 3 chicken wings, but seems to be loosing weight. He is a big dog, 24 in and around 47 lbs, and is very active. So because tripe has a lot of cals. I was thinking just add a half cup every two-three days would help him out. Thanks everyone!
  4. So I feed my cat and dog Bravo! raw food plus some other meats, etc. Its not too expensive and I am lazy, plus I can get really cool meats. Anyhow, I bought some green tripe and have no clue how to feed it, as a meal?? small amounts in a few meals?? Does anybody feed it and can help me out?
  5. First dog as a child: A border collie Missy First dog as an adult: I was 17 when I got MacIntosh, so I will say my beloved Jack.... both Border collies Why a BC?: I grew up with them and I like a working dog Did you do research? Yes I have reserched the breed since we got missy when I was 5 years old First BC: Missy. MT pound puppy was supposed to be a little lap dog, turned out to be 4 week old border collie. Great dog and great teacher. What made you want to get another? While I love many different breeds and will always own some different breeds, I enjoy border collies for the amount of training and activities you can take part in with just the one dog. So I will always have at least one. What have you done with your dogs? What haven't I done. Search and rescue is their main job, but when Jack was alive he did everything from SAR to gun dog work to agility to flyball. He had pretty much had some level of training in every dog sport and had been on sheep a few times. Mac has done lots as well, but mainly sheep. He has bad ankles now so no jumping for the old boy. How many BC's? Right now, just Mac. I lost Jack at age three to kidney faliure. I am on a list for another puppy, but the bitch hasn't been bred again yet and last time she didn't produce enough males. So alas I wait. I hope to get two in the next year or so. I need two so they can work different jobs. I think two is my max for border collies so I can have room for other dogs as well. How many do you have now? One What "quirks" have you noticed with all your dogs? All of mine have been pretty much one person working dogs. Friendly with others, but focused on work not making friends. They have all been great with any animal I bring into the house. Which I think speeks well for a dog with so much prey drive to understand which cats, rabbits, etc are ours and need to be left alone and which are not and can be chased. City dog or country dog? CT country if there is such a thing, but I do hope to move somewhere more rural within my next pups lifetime. (I want Sheep!!!! and washington state sounds like my kind of place!) Would you ever get another breed? Yes I love working breeds. German Shepherds (working lines only) and german shorthaired pointers have made my interested list. I think the GSP would be the first non BC I get. I also love other herding breeds, Shelties, corgies, and aussies (both shepherds and cattle dogs)
  6. Eileen and Julie, I want to thank you for the effort in your responses. I hope my online posts were not viewed in a hostile manner, I meant them as more of a questioning tone. I also tried to make it clear I did understand a number of working bred dogs could be used for SAR with great success. I understand and thank you for expanding on my short prey drive answer for why dogs work in both aspects. I do think I took the word "bond" to be the main issue with reguards to the dogs work. I think relationship is a much better word, and leaves me in agreement with what everyone is saying. Your relationship with dogs herding vs other dog activities is different, that I understand and can even see it in my own dogs. I won't say it is better or worse but just different. As for my herding dog, age and health will limit his learning, but I will continue learning and expand my interest once I have less on my plate with a new dog or puppy. Oh and for the original topic I don't feel talked down to by anyone on the board and I enjoy reading it as often as I can!
  7. First I want to say that I in no way support breeding border collies for anything other than stock work. I have a rescue that I do take lessons with and would love to someday be able to compete. Then I have my working bred border that I do SAR with. I do train both my dogs in dog sports and they are pets. I have no issue with understanding that border collies were bred to herd, but what is herding if not the hunt without the kill. I just see search and rescue as the first part of the hunt and herding as the second. It stems from prey drive, and it is that drive that both things tap into and I feel as though the bond with the handler when the dog is using that drive is pretty much the same. I can say that when both of my dogs leave me to do their different jobs they do so because everything in them is telling them it is what they are born to do. My search dog loves the search, you can see it when you watch his pure joy at running in the woods reading every breeze, finding spots where he naturally knows scent will pool, working the wind to his advantage, etc. So is it the being bred for herding that has second hand made him so good at his job, or is it that because he was bred to do a job (herding in his case) he didn't lose that natural ability that all dogs had at one point? Either way I think my point is that I don't see a difference in a stock dog handlers bond and someone else who uses the same drive in other ways but to that same level. If anything I think it is the human side of the bond that places the difference. As said on this board, many people feel guilty or nostalgic about not being able to have their dogs herd although their dog has no such feelings. From my point I have to say my bond with my SAR is much stronger and on a whole different level than my bond to my herding rescue. Now I don?t, as Bill does, need my herding dog to earn a living, heck I don't even need him to herd. I do however need my SAR dog so I can clear an area in time to save someone from possible injury or death. I think that is the only difference between my two dogs.
  8. So I wonder how different a sport dog person, or therapy dog, etc relationship is from someone who does not in fact make their living from livestock, as a growing number of sheepdog people don't. What makes their relationship that much different from an agility handler? Part time herding, the dog can win or loose and still be a loved pet. Is the difference solely in the fact that one is herding while the other is not. I mean the reliance on the dog is the same isn't it? No one will lose the house or food on the table if the dog fails on any venture. And as stated a dog can't miss what it doesn't know so how could the bond of one dog doing herding and one dog doing agility be that much different? I also don't understand the comparison of search and rescue to any dog sport or recreational herding. I am using my dog?s innate skills as a dog, regardless of breed; he was born to know how to hunt with his nose, read his surrounding, etc. I am using that ability to find people. If my dog fails people could die, I don't see that in any relation to running around over some jumps or even herding for fun. People will say that my dog thinks its a game, which is true I suppose to an extent, but as Catu stated when you are alone with a dog for days on end in horrible conditions, there is more there to the dog then a "game?. You are partners with him, and the trust you have in each other isn't something I think a lot of people will understand. So I think if the sole difference in the bond or relationship is if you are working with the dog in a capacity that is natural to him, then herding is not the only activity in which a border collie and handler can have the magical steak-eating bond.
  9. Maybe its just me, but is anyone looking at it from the dogs point of view? I traveled back from the UK with my dog and maybe it is just that he is a tall border collie, but I wouldn't want to make him cram in some tiny space to save a buck or to "know" he was alright... I let him ride in the specail pet baggage hold, talked to the airline about the area he would be riding in, pestered flight attendants to make sure he was on the plane,etc. He got to ride in his large crate (which he is use to and loves to be in when he is stressed) with plenty of room, bones to chew, water, and a nice soft bed. Now he is in training to be a SAR dog but I wouldn't ever use that unless going to a mission just for his comfort. I found the airline staff more than understanding and helpful, and Jack got into Boston well rested and calm. Sure I was a little stressed but I didn't need him to be too.
  10. Here are my kids!! Jack, Andrew, Bosco and MacIntosh.
  11. I would only own a working bred dog. Border collies (of course) Working German shepherds (NOT german or american show lines) Malinois (I lOVE them) Dutch shepherd I would love another sheltie one day (token little dog) or maybe a papillion or JRT. I would own a pit if the right rescue came about. Other than that I wouldn't really own any other breed....
  12. Just a guess from watching my dogs play with each other, but when they play fight, they bow and then one will go up and bite the scruff/face/neck area of the other and then either run off to be chased or just stay and wrestle. Could that be what she is doing?? Cause if I understand you right it isn't a case of outward aggression.
  13. Donna, here you go! The Voices in Blood He's only your pet collie, romping on a sunlit lawn, Or sleeping on a run before the fire. Though his role in life is just to be a friend beyond compare, He's a servant more than worthy of his hire. For if his fate should call him to a dozen different tasks, He could do each one incomparably well; Adapting to each changed demand, intelligent and keen, In all things he is destined to excel. You might see him in Obedience and watch him winning Crufts, Or in the Working Trails, achieving T.D.ex, Or racing through Agility, (and he could be a bitch, For competence does not depend on sex!) You could mark his patient searching in a devastated town, Through the ruins that an earthquake leaves behind. Or proud in his white harness, see him walk the streets, A rare, but special Guide Dog for the Blind. He may never even glimpse the sheep that he was bred to herd, (As Mountain Rescue Dog he would ignore them!) But all true collies listen to the voices in their blood Of ancestors who proudly went before them. He is able to diversify because of what he is, From his long history derives his worth. Guide, search, champion, yes! But first of all The best and wisest herding dog on earth. So understand him if one day an ancient memory stirs, And he casts out round a most indignant cat! And does his level best to bring her in to you, because His long dead forebears told him to do that. There are those who would attempt to breed his herding instinct out, Dismissing it as something they don't need. If they don't want the working genes that make him what he is They'd do well to find themselves another breed. Through he's only your pet collie, fast asleep before the fire, Or playing with the children on the lawn; Still Man has no right to silence those voices in his blood, That remind him of the reason he was born. by Pat Brown
  14. This time last year Brildwn, Lauren, or whatever she is calling herself now, was telling everyone her dogs worked cattle everyday, and she was getting sheep, etc. etc. I don't believe her, I believe she is younger than she claims, and I believe she is raising those dogs for money. Bottom line I don't know what parent in their right mind lets their kids run a breeding program when they should be spending more time at school learning to spell. I also don't know what person looking for a quality dog would buy from a kid. Oh that's right most of her pups get sold to people in the states who see her adds on next day puppy type ads.
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