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  1. I suspect that unhappy puppy buyers wouldn't have a clue about the possibility of lodging complaints or who to lodge them with. If they're buying from a place like this, then clearly they're not exactly doing a lot of research to begin with and so aren't likely to do research after the fact to figure out how to complain effectively.

     

    J.

     

     

    Isn't that how the MH and RS investigations got started? Disgruntled buyers turning to ABCA for help? I wouldn't underestimate the buying public just because they are buying from puppyfind. I would think they would still want their registration papers to validate their fine purchases.

     

    I'm certainly not saying ABCA is at fault; but find it strange that as this guy's life deteriorated from a "Border Collie Breeder" to an "out of control Hoarder" that there weren't some red flags from the customers who bought his puppies. Maybe ABCA IS already looking into it. If not, shouldn't they be now just to confirm how many litters he registered, checking DNA against pedigrees before the "evidence" all gets sent out to rescues and/or adopted and there's no access to the DNA any longer.


  2. We were told by a rescue friend familiar with feral colonies that they will not allow in other males esp since this has been going on for a while that only border collies would be breeding. I'm not saying in breeding wouldn't be going on but, that it would be border collies. Is it breeding season In Tx? As far as I'm aware there were no puppies on site.

    I agree - there wouldn't be strange dogs roaming in without severe consequences. One account I read said they found some dead puppies under a truck. Sad to say, but if the dogs were hungry enough I would not expect to find any live puppies. I don't believe there is a "breeding season" for dogs other than maybe Basenjis. Intact bitches are going to keep coming in season every 6-10 months year round.


  3. ^^ my point. If this person was hospitalized for mental reasons why would anyone think that he knew, much less took the time to register pups and dogs? I don't think ABCA should be thrown under the bus as was alluded to. If anything papers should be rescinded on all that carry his name as "breeder" imo.

     

     

    Journey,

    I wasn't throwing ABCA under the bus(your words, not mine). I don't think that the man has always been mentally unstable; I think at first he "thought" he had a good money-making product, that turned into a tragic hoarding situation. I guess my question should have been worded "Why hadn't this guy been turned in and/or investigated by ABCA for his breeding practices before it came to this?". You can't tell me that there weren't some dis-satisfied customers with all the advertising and breeding he was doing. His ads on puppyfind and his websites at least infer that he was selling "ABCA registrable" pups (see link below). I agree that anything he produced in the past year or two (maybe more) ought to be DNA tested and/or papers rescinded. With that large a colony of dogs running loose, there's really no way to have any kind of controlled breeding program. It will be interesting and sad to see how many of the bitches are pregnant when all is said and done.

     

    As an aside, I think it's typical that non-Border Collie folks think anything that isn't Black/White and fluffy must be a mix or an Aussie or Sheltie cross. All the dogs in those pictures and video clips look like Border Collies to me.

    Laurie

     

    recent puppyfind link: http://www.puppyfind.com/view_listing/?list_id=hc4m65m3n3&sid=b69451b9aededfd2f1ad7e7e1d340149&back=%2Fl%2F%3Facct_id%3D102791%26country%3D%26state%3D%26page%3D1%26order_by%3D%26back%3D


  4. Do we know it's him?

    The news reports I read list the location as Joe Davis Road in Jefferson Texas, and that's his address. Also, on the rescue boards, one of his children is reported to have told the Humane Society that he imported some stud dogs from Ireland, and paid a lot for them when he started the kennel. If you Google his websites, he proudly lists two Irish merle imports as the sire of his pups, and that the pups are ABCA registered/registerable. If you look at RD's website, she has copies of the pedigrees for the Irish dogs, registered to him. Seems pretty unlikely that there would be two Border Collie puppy mills on the same road with Irish Imports, right?


  5. More than 200 border collies, from puppies to seniors, are in desperate need of help in Texas. The "breeder" was hospitalized and left all the dogs behind on his acreage. The family has agreed to sign them all over to the Humane Society, but they don't have the resources to manage this volume - BC Rescue Texas is doing what it can. If you can help, please visit their website.

     

    Arizona Border Collie Rescue has also committed to helping in any way they can and they are asking for volunteer drivers and foster homes to help get the dogs from TX to AZ and care for them once they arrive. If you can help, please visit their website.

     

    RDM

    I wonder if ABCA is even aware of this, if so if they would help? And why wasn't this guy investigated already? He did a lot of advertising on puppyfind and stockdog lists. These are/were supposedly ABCA registered dogs. Some from imported ISDS dogs. I did a little searching - Sand Spring Border Collies - John T Wilson in Jefferson TX. Maybe ABCA could cough up a little $ to help with the vetting and transport if nothing else? http://www.puppyfind.com/redirect/?acct_id=102791&list_id=ztyel45w9m

     

    Laurie (back to lurk mode now)


  6. I wonder what I'm missing?

     

    Certainly not talking about Aled Owen or ROY... :rolleyes:

     

    and I have no stake in these breeders,

    but I see some blanket comments in this thread that could be considered pointedly defamatory, for instance...

     

    “RS also inbreed(s) on(e) some horrific temperaments.”

     

    “I think you need your head examined to pay their prices at LE and be on a waiting list for dogs esp with some of the negatives in their lines such as seizures and deafness.”

     

    “Temperament issues in the Rising Sun lines are prevalent, period.”

     

    People might want to watch what they post publicly, that's all.

    Laurie


  7. I remember Sava; nice to hear that she is doing ok with you......

    Perhaps she is like her mom; Dot is a powerful bitch with a great work ethic (good working cows as well as sheep) and has an endearing and friendly personality.

    Dot is a real credit to her dear-father 'Int. Sup. Ch. Roy' (200199).

     

    Dot-1.jpg

    OK - just pack Dot up in a box and send her to me .

     

    Laurie

     

    PS - Some of ya'll should probably watch what you are typing/insinuating on a public forum - things are sounding a bit slanderous at times.


  8. As far as rewarding soft biting, I rewarded the Lhasa by allowing him to play with my hands as long as he was gentle. If he bit too hard, I said "owww," kept my hands out of his reach for several seconds, then put my hand back out at which point he would much more gently chew on them. He picked up on this quickly and has a lovely inhibited bite. At 6, he still once in a while plays gently with my hands.

     

    Well sure. But to me there is a lot of difference between a dog bred with his foremost job as a "lap dog" and Border Collie. I would certainly hope that a good Lhasa would have pretty strong inherent bite inhibition, or he wouldn't be much of a companion dog breed. Herding/working dogs are much more apt to use their teeth as part of their jobs, so therefore might be a little harder to convince.

    I have a five year old dog that I raised from a pup who still likes to mouth my sleeve/hands occasionally when we run agility. I let her get away with it as a pup, when I didn't have a toy or leash handy, and needed to distract her fom staring down other dogs. Her default when she gets too excited in agility is often to "mouth" at my sleeves or hands. I wish I hadn't let her do it, but hind site's 20/20. Granted, she doesn't break the skin or even leave a mark, but it would be a stupid way to get disqualified. Laurie


  9. Admir Ski said "

    I can't get a handle on the process of teaching him to moderate his bite. He has a few (hardly ever) times when he'll just mouth, but it quickly escalates, and then sometimes he just goes straight to trying to bite my arm/hand/leg off. How do you reward soft biting? Should you?"

     

     

    I can think of 3 reason why dogs don't have bite inhibition. I'm not advocating any type of punishment for puppy biting, which could cause a dog to later "lash out", not knowing how to control his bite. Another reason dogs don't learn bite inhibition is that some pups never mouth or bite at all as puppies, so never learn inhibition. When the day comes that they need to use their teeth, they go "all out". Another reason is being taken away from Mom and littermates too early, before his "own kind' have taught him that hard biting is unacceptable.

    Your puppy bites. Do you really want a dog that puts his teeth on you as an adult? Why would you "reward" any type of biting? Basically, you just tolerate "puppy mouthing", and then teach an off to deal with the hard biting. It's not rocket science. You are probably making way too much out of the whole thing. Some pups just bite hard. They need to learn not to.

    Laurie


  10. I haven'd through all your posts regarding Skis' biting, but here are a couple sugggestions:

     

    1) Stop treating him like a baby. He is a dog. You are the human. Establish that relationship now while he is small. Make your hands, ankles , body parts more unvailable. By that I mean, stop "offering them" and moving them around. Many people make the mistake of getting down to the pup's level, to play. That puts you on equal terms, and you don't want to be. A little pup can't bite your arms/hands if you are standing; and if he's going for ankles, pants legs, it is much less fun to bite something that is stationary. Stopping movement usually stops the action.

     

    2) If he is persistent in biting pants legs and the muzzle hold isn't working, elevate him off his feet. Pick him up, not cuddling, take him out of control of the situation. Once he settles, put him back down. If he persists, a time out in the crate until the idea leaves his head is warranted.

     

    3) If you haven't already, start teaching him to "settle" in his crate. He needs to learn he has an "off button". Give him some crate time to chew a bone, chill out, not demand attention. Start in short increments, when he is quiet, randomly, quietly go by the crate and drop a small treat in. Don't reward or give attention when he is "demanding" attention, only when he is quiet.

     

    4) Teach an "Off" with a toy. Get him playing/biting a toy. Use a toy on a rope, or a long tug toy. Not something that he can accidentally latch onto your hand with. Move the toy around, play with him, then once he is engaged in biting/chasing the toy, firmly clamp it to you thigh/hip, and say "off". Game over. The movement is stopped, and he will soon think this non-moving toy is pretty boring. When he lets go of the toy, praise, pause a few seconds to let it sink in, and then the game can resume. It's a give and take game. You offer the toy = he gets to bite. You stop the action and say "off" = he stops biting. If he trys to get to your hand instead of the toy, the game stops. He learns that teeth on human skin is not permitted. Once he understands "off" on a toy, you can use the command with anything he is mouthing/biting.

     

    Laurie


  11. I've been teaching dog obedience and agility for well over 20 years...Here's my list I give people who ask what they can training their puppy to do before it's really ready to "work" at something...

     

    Keep your puppy training sessions to "minutes" at a time. Teach these essentials while your pup is still young, and everything else will fall into place. For my dogs, the essentials are listed below -- not necessarily in prioritized order. You may have more to add, depending on your goals and situation.

    1) puppy knows and responds immediately to its name

    2) housebreaking (with pottying on command outside)

    3) crate training (and going in crate on command)

    4) walking on a leash without pulling

    5) sit – plus duration for a sit stay

    6) down – plus duration for a down stay

    7) coming when called (#1 in my book)

    8) bite inhibition! (also "off"/"leave it")

    9) an “Off button” –learning to settle, chill out

    10) household boundaries and limitations (doorways, furniture, countertops)

    11) outdoor boundaries and limitations (fences, gates, roads)

    12) no jumping up on people unless invited

    13) socialization to humans (family members and strangers)

    14) socialization to other dogs

    15) socialization to other animals

    16) ability to be separated (or isolated) temporarily and accept it

    17) ability to deal with loud noises and voices

    18) acceptance of being touched all over, and grabbed by the collar

    19) acceptance of nail clipping and grooming

    20) learning to defer to owner in a scary or tense situation

     

     

    Coming when called - MOST important whether you use "that'll do, here" or just the pup's name, or "Come". Use a long line when you can't get to the pup immediately. Never let your pup learn that a recall is "optional", but also, make sure you make it a pleasant experience when the puppy obliges.

     

    In your situation(with small children) Bite inhibition would also be very important. Way important to start training now while she is still smaller than the kids, and she has her puppy teeth. There are many ways to teach this, but violence/screaming is not going to work. She does need to learn that dog teeth NEVER touch a human. With kids, no exceptions. IF she nips/mouths a person - the fun ends. If that doesn't work, I use a muzzle grip (hand over the bridge of the nose), squeezing the upper gums/teeth to calm and stop the nipping with a firm "hey" or knock it off", then release when the pup has calmed down. If the pup persists, elevate her off her feet (takes her out of controlling the situation). Don't let your kids do the disciplining - an adult need to enforce this. If the situation has gotten too crazy, a brief time out in her crate to settle down and then let her back out to "play nice".

     

    That's all for now, have to go to work.Laurie


  12. this is my 14 week old border collie. We are not going to do agility in competitions i am using it only as a training tool for regular obediance and to stimulte her once she knows all her obediance commnds. Anyways i have taught her down stay sit come she only listens maybe 60 percent of the time so i would appreciate some advice to get this to 100 percent or is it just her age? I also have a heck of a time with her on leash.

     

    anyways i decided to do some jumping with wiskey while we practice and shape what we already know. in the video when i asked her sit sit and she laid down that is because my hand was out in a stay command so i did not do anything becuase i sent her a mixed signal she only did what she thought i wanted since she is more signal driven than vocal right now.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf0PAGq3AQE

     

    Cute pup! It's late and I am tired, but PLEASE... it is a very bad idea to be jumping a pup that young, especially on a hard, slick surface. The stays look fine, how about teach sit down, shake. roll over beg, highfive, etc, and keep it "low impact" until she is at least around a year and/or her growth plates have closed. You are possibly doing serious longterm structural damage by jumping a pup repeatedly at her age. Laurie


  13. You might want to try covering the whelping box with a blanket or something to make it more enclosed and denlike. She just might be objecting to the openness of it all. Doing so helped my bitch to settle a bit come whelping time. I left the blanket covering the box till the puppies were born (and I was right there to make sure it didn't fall down and smother anyone) and then removed it, because once the puppies were there then the bitch no longer wanted to look for somewhere else to give birth.

     

    J.

     

     

    I actually whelp puppies in a cozy quiet area like a bathroom, so there's no where the bitch can hide that I can't get to. Another way would be to put an expen around the pool with a cover like Julie suggested. Once she actually has the first puppy, she will be much more likely to settle in one place. Right now she's uncomfortable and confused about the whole thing (thinking she needs to potty because of the pressure). Just keep an eye on her and try not to panic. You'll probably see contractions and pushing (bearing down) before she has the first one, and before every other one. She can have them standing, squatting or lying down. I've had bitches act really scared their first time and try to run away from the pain. Sitting with those helped, and hormones kick in pretty quickly, once they get down to business . I've had them act like nothing out of the ordinary was about to happen and litterly "pop" out puppies like terds, look back and go "hmm, what's that?". I let the mom take care of the cleaning, afterbirth, etc, but make sure if she's preoccupied with one puppy that she doesn't forget about cleaning the next ones. I watch until each puppy is out, then double check that the membranes are off it's head and it's breathing, then let mom take over cleaning and bonding. If the puppies come quickly one after the other and the mom is moving around alot, I rub damp puppies off with a hand towel and move them to a basket with a heating pad next to mom as she gets ready to have the next one.

    Laurie


  14. A bit of advice - Once the puppies are here, do not leave them with loose towels, blankets, sheets, etc. . Bitches liek to dig and rearrange bedding. Years ago I had 2 pups suffocate from crawling between the layers and mama laying on top of them. A nice fluffy washable bathmat in the baby pool and double stick carpet tape around the edges works great. As long as the mama stays with them, and the room is heated, they will probably not need extra "covers" or heat lamps. She will keep them warm. If it's cold, a heated area that they can crawl to is good, as long as it isn't a fire or chewing hazzard. You will be able to tell how the pups' temp is by how they are sleeping. Piled closely together is normal, spread apart they are too hot. If you see a single pup sleeping separated from the group, it needs attention or is possibly sick. Put it back in the pile of puppies and watch it closely.

    Laurie


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  16. Phoenix.jpg

    Questor's Fox View Phoenix

    CD MX MXJ AD U-AG II OAC OAJ CGC TDI

    6/27/94 - 3/19/08

    Phoenix exemplified the Golden Retriever breed - beautiful, athletic, graceful, biddable, patient, comical, and stoic... She was every bit of that right up until her last day on earth, when a silent urethral tumour made it necessary to say a rushed goodbye. Never having puppies of her own, Auntie Phoenix took every new Golden or Border Collie puppy under her wing to raise. A little too "creative" for the repetitive nature of obedience training, Phoenix started me on my "agility journey"; and her crazy immune system was a driving force behind my discovery of a healthy alternative to feeding and caring for my dogs (raw food and minimal vaccination). Phoenix was a true Princess with a heart of gold. Rest well, my fair and faithful friend, until we meet again.

    Laurie


  17. Thank you for your responses. Everything discussed, except the thyroid issue, has already been explored with negative findings but I am continuing to monitor exercise, weather, etc. just in case - spleen or other abdominal cancer has been a consideration in light of Katie's mother dying from it but nothing has shown up so far. I will discuss whether her thyroid should be checked with my vet. I know we will eventually discover what is wrong but it would be so much easier if she could just speak english for a day or two!

     

    Just catching up - I would suggest you find a good veterinary chiropractor/acupuncturist to go over her. If you don't have one available, a good canine masseuse could also detect subtle soft tissue problems/injury that your vet might not pick up on. Sounds to me like she could have a pelvic misalignment or spinal problem that causes intermittent shooting leg pain - similar to what people with sciatica get. I’ve seen dogs that were hard to diagnose, but had similar off and on problems like you describe. A good chiropractic adjustment did wonders, as well as acupuncture or deep massage to release a chronically tense area.

    Laurie


  18. Keepstone Farm

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    Sanctioned by VBCA

     

    Entries open Nov 1 –all entries must be accompanied by check. No refunds after Nov 21. Limited camping space available, no hook-ups. Please check with Susan for available space. Trial is at 412 Russell Rd, Berryville, VA.

     

    Make checks payable to: Susan Rhoades

     

    Send entries to : Laurie Anderson

    573 Cider Drive

    Bunker Hill, WV 25413

     

    $20.00 per dog per class: Nov/Nov - Pro/Nov - Ranch.

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    Total enclosed: _________ check # _________

     

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  19. Thanks Laurie. That really explains a lot of Skip's personality traits. He has not turned on to sheep yet and I am hoping it will help him with his confidence. Although, I am not sure if it is really a lack of confidence now after reading about Coon, and knowing what I know of Bud and Hope(parents). I think he acts the way he does because he is PUSHY, not a lack of confidence/fear thing.

     

    Not really sure what Skip's behavior is, but I think there is often a resource guarding or confidence issue if he's reacting to other dogs in a bad way. Maybe he's resource guarding you? I don't think it has much to do with whether or not he turns on to sheep, although I've seen sheep bring the confidence out in fearful or timid dogs. Dogs that have " misguided stalking/chasing behavior" sometimes change when they find out what it is they are "really " supposed to do with those instincts.

    Gotta would be very happy if she, sheep, ducks and I were the only beings in the universe. She likes people, tolerates respectful Border Collies, but every other living thing is either a "sheep" (big dogs/animals), or a "duck" (little dogs and cats) in her mind.

    L


  20. He is the Maternal Grandfather of Skip. Just wondering if anyone has seen this dog work and what kind of worker he is. Anything else that you might know would be appreciated. Thanks!

     

    I have seen Coon work. Awesome dog, and he and Kent were a great team. From what I've seen he is a confident, powerful dog - with a lot of authority on stock (both sheep and cattle). I watched Kent pour out 50 lbs of feed for a group of hungry lambs, and then have Coon pick them right off of the feed trough "Yes sir, Mr. sheepdog, we're not really hungry, we are walking away from that yummy grain and going up that hill, yessirree!" I've heard (through the grapevine) that he did have his share of "grip outs" at trials, and that maybe he has a bit of a "short fuse".

    I have a Coon daughter running in Pro-novice. What I like about her...She has a ton of natural style and ability. She seems to read new sheep very well and learns things quickly. Very good sense of balance and pace. She wants to please me, and tries very hard to takes her commands (all though sometimes she still folds to the pressure and takes a wrong flank, or gets sticky on the drive away.) She responds best to a quiet voice.

    What I don't like about her...she lacks a little confidence sometimes, and she is not very "dog friendly". She has good self control, but really does not appreciate other dogs invading her space. She went through a period at about 1.5 years old where I wanted to strangle her - she started out awesome as a pup, and then became a nasty gripper. I stopped training her for a while, because I didn't think she could take the kind of physical pressure I needed to apply to stop the gripping without turning her completely off sheep. Brought her back a year later, she was mature and she has been doing great ever since.

     

    I know there are others on this boards that probably know Coon much better than me. Robin, Denise?

    Laurie

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