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  1. Thanks, Cyberdog, that's a very clear and concise summary. I doubt we will hear from this person again, though. I hope that poor dog is given a gentle end. Ruth & Gibbs
  2. I just read your post that went up as I was typing mine. Even if all of what you say is true, this is still a dog who bites unpredictably. And he's gone at someone's face unexpectedly, Nothing you have done has changed that, he seems to be getting worse. We could analyze it all for days, and he'd still be a dog who has bitten several times. Euthanize him. Ruth & Gibbs
  3. No. Just no. The HUGE thing that happened is his pack broke apart, and comes together again, unpredictably. That's very, very big in a dog's life. So, the pack breaks up, he lives with your parents, (and your dad isn't capable of handling him correctly) and sees you intermittently. When he does see you, he likely gets shocked. Is your dad shocking him when you're not around? And there's all the flurry of putting the house on the market, selling, then moving. There's so much uncertainty and fear there for a dog it's horrendous. You said it in the above post "The problems started several months after I had to stop training so much.' So, it's a kind of slow build of stress 1) You move away, leaving him with someone you say doesn't handle dogs well. The time goes by. 2) He sees you infrequently, and you're likely splitting your time between him and your parents. You're not there enough to provide any sort of continuity for him. 3) Things continue to be chaotic. I've worked for people getting their houses ready to sell and then while the house was on the market. It's incredibly stressful. The dog picks up on all that chaos and stress for months. 4) He starts to bite. You start to hurt him. 5) At some point, he got moved entirely from his home to the new home. This kind of situation is an absolute nightmare for any dog who bonds strongly with 1 human, but doesn't get to live with that human. It's not a matter of having less training, it's a matter of 1) he lives with someone who very possibly doesn't treat him well, and 2) the human he might have bonded with is unpredictable at best, as there is pain/fright sometimes when she leashes him up. B collies have a very strong tendency to bond strongly w/one human. I had one who LIVED to say hi to strangers, he just loved meeting new people. At the end of the day, though, he was my boy through and through. You should seriously consider euthanizing this dog. He's not going to get better, only worse. At this point he might not be capable of being less reactive. If he's still living with your parents, they could have a lawsuit on their hands if he bites. The entire situation makes me really, really sad. Ruth & Gibbs
  4. By zapper collar, do you mean an electronic collar? After he bites you leash him and take him the person he bit, then you shock him several times then take him out of the room? If that's a fair summary of what you've been doing, IMO, you've taught this dog to fear these people. You take him to them, on leash, proceed to shock him while he's standing close to them, and then walk him away. Sweet Jesus, I'd be biting whatever was in front of me, too. It seems to me that there's an excellent chance that he's biting those folks because he associates pain with being close to them. And keep shocking him? He's never, ever, ever gonna biting if that's what's happening. Please, tell me if I'm mis-reading this or you can explain it more clearly. R & G
  5. I'll look into whilst working on the rehab exercises that Dr H recommended. It's been a week, so early days. I assume MMJ is medical marijuana? Yes, I live where it's legal. I think there are 3 dispensaries in my county ~ we were early adopters. I've had good luck w/ the nearest one, Gibbs sees Dr H again on Apr. 2nd for a re-check. I'll ask her then if she's got any experience w/medical marijuana use for dogs. Thx, D'Elle. R & G
  6. Your bc is not herding, she is harassing your other dogs. This is aggressive behavior, particularly that you say she's attacked a very small and vulnerable dog. Counting the BC, you have 6 dogs. Working with a dog with this extreme behavior is time consuming and long-term. With the other dogs to care for, and probably work that you do for income, I don't know that anyone would come out a winner. Your BC seems obsessive/compulsive to me from what you describe. I don't believe this behavior can or should be 'focused'. Have you tried medication? Are you willing to isolate her from the other dogs while you work with her for weeks and months? You need to think about the cost to yourself and your 'pack' that keeping this dog brings with it. I'm sorry I can't be more positive. Ruth & Gibbs
  7. I am so sorry you're having to deal with this. I've not had a behavioral issue of this kind ever, so I can only speak from what I've read or heard. Tucker has bitten a lot of people, in several different situations. Two things I can see that you could do differently is have him crated in a different room w/a closed door whenever there is anyone but you around. That's a hard way to live. Tucker might be vocal and bark/moan/howl when shut away from you. He'd possibly be more anxious than he is now. The second thing is to try a different medication. Are you able to work with a veterinary behaviorist? If he gets more stressed when crated and there isn't another med to try, I believe you're faced with putting him down. he is not a dog I could advise re-homing. Perhaps someone else will have other ideas you could explore. Ruth & Gibbs
  8. So far he's had no digestive issues, except for once with a GI tract bug of some kind. He's not got an iron gut, like Shoshone had, but pretty darn close. Thank goodness for that. R & G
  9. Gorgeous pup! AND, ^^^ what Lawgirl said. Even jumping low heights can damage your pup's joints, including his shoulders, back and hips. Taking him thru the uprights over just bars on the ground is fine, but not several times in a row. Border collies sometimes do not heed their own bodies telling them to stop. I had a 2 yr old who ran her front feet to hamburger, playing fetch on a hard packed earth surface. Totally my fault ~ I wasn't paying attention AND had no idea she was hurt until there was blood flying from her feet. Sam was my first bc, she passed away 8 yrs ago or so, and I still wince when I think of her poor feet. Enjoy him, play with him, but give him time to physically mature before you put that stress on joints and bones. Ruth & Gibbs
  10. Diane Allen, he's on carprofen and gabapentin. No problems with either, so far, and it does seem to be helping. I'm doing the exercises, most of which he's fine with, the only one he doesn't like is when I hold his right rear leg up so he has to bear more weight on his left rear leg. It's early days, but hopefully we'll get that leg stronger. If, as Dr H suspects, part of the problem is that his kneecap is slipping out of joint, then more muscle mass will help keep it in place. That's painful, my right kneecap slipped out several times. Made me limp, too. Thanks, my friends. R & G ETA ~ we talked about adequan, and she asked if he was on glucosamine supplements, etc. I don't want to throw a bunch of different things into him all at once. It's impossible to tell what's working and what's just money being spent that isn't effective.
  11. Thx, will do, Gentle Lake. R & G
  12. Thanks, GL. I'd thought about medical marijuana, will bring it up w/the doc. The problem for me is if his pain is lessened, will he want to be an active dog again, and how much of that is a reasonable risk if further injury to those joints is possible. Aaaargh. I've no problem using medical MJ at all. The good news is I just walked him on a shorter leash, which Dr. H recommended. I had been using a flexi. I was sure he'd want the freedom of the longer leash, but he was fine. Much easier to keep his pace steady, and almost no limping at the slower pace. Ruth & Gibbs
  13. Gibbs is 11 yrs old and has problems with his knees, left one worse than the other. First orthopedist diagnosed acl damage. Second ortho tried cold laser therapy, which didn't do much and even seemed to make him more uncomfortable. Third ortho (who works in same clinic as 2nd one) is a rehab specialist. ALL these veterinarians have been wonderful, but #3, Dr. Hayes, is gonna be the most help, I think. Dr. H spent almost 2 hours with me and Gibbs, and she had gone over all his records. The thing she and I discussed that that we're both concerned about is that G has a LOT of orthopedic issues. He's had problems w/his left front paw, his back, both knees, and one of his rear paws. He's not done anything physical that I'm aware ~ years of stock work or agility training, for example ~ that might explain it. His appetite/elimination are all normal. He is Lyme positive from birth, but has no medical signs that he's ill with it. Gibbs is the first dog, (of 5 that I've owned) to have this much stuff. My previous 4, 1 cattle dog and 3 bc, 3 were healthy until they reached 13 or 14. Buzz had bone cancer, but up until he got that, he was hale and hearty. Just in the past couple weeks, he's growled a couple times at The Roommate and once at me when we were playing with him. That's a first. After the visit w/Dr. H I'm thinking that his pain level might be increasing. So I'm puzzled and concerned. Dr. H gave me a raft of exercises to do, so I've started that. He's on an anti-inflammatory and a pain med, and he's still limping. If I can get his left leg muscles built back up, (muscle wasting is easily visible) that might help. I don't know if there's a sub-acute but active form of Lyme, but will email Dr. H and ask. Ideas? Experience? Ruth & Gibbs
  14. All my dogs have been mildly to seriously concerned about thunder & gunshot noises. One of them was a total water puppy. A friend saw her in a creek splashing around with wild abandon and said, "Part trout, is she now?" Not obsessive, but dearly loved to be in water. Playing fetch ~ very, very into that. All of them. I particularly like the pile o'pups in the 3rd pic. Lovely! Ruth & Gibbs
  15. You've said she is tri, and I could never see it until this pic. Thx for posting, it's amazing how subtle the colors can be. You're right, she's a very pretty dog. Ruth & Gibbs
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