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Slippery elm is perfectly safe for cats, I used to give it to my siamese and orientals when they or the kittens had upset tummies Karin

Thought you might like to have a look at the new guidleines laid down by the ISDS on CEA testing and reg http://www.isds.org.uk/news/index.htmstration requirements regards karin copy and paste if link doesn't work

For what its worth, there is a condition called post-clipping alopecia. regrowth is delayed for up to 6 to 12 months. Two theories are proposed as to why this occurs in sled dogs: The hair no longer insulates the skin and the blood vessels constrict causing loss of blood flow to the hair follicles. This may be an adaptive mechanism to reduce the loss of heat from the exposed skin area in harshly cold climates. Loss of the hair may cause a drop in temperature in the area that adversely affects the blood supply to the area. Hair that eventually grows back in may be darker in color. References: Tilley, LP, Smith, FWK, The 5 Minute Veterinary Consult, Canine and Feline. 1997, Williams & Wilkins. Mordecai Siegal (Ed.) The UC Davis Book of Dogs. 1995, HarperCollins Publishers. regards karin

Thank you for your comments ,Eileen has given me what I was originally requesting in my post,(Thank you for the names) examples of dogs that are considered exeptional but due to CEA status black marked. The previous examples of the threads are very much hypothetical, the arguments I am seeing over here are very much of the here and now and the trend that seems to be arising is for me very worrying, regards karin

Err No we haven't gone through this at all, yes CEA was discussed but not in the context of breeders choosing to disregard carrier status and opting only for clear to clear matings.I was also asking for examples of exceptionally good working dogs who have been de registered due to producing CEA.Karin

You know what I hate to eat crow,but for once I come to this board looking for a little back up, I really thought that the Border Collie fraternity would be sensible about the new DNA test and originally it was hailed as a great step forward in identifying and breeding on from carrier dogs, to my horror now I am hearing more and more about only breeding normal to normal, this is such a big mistake in the haste to rid the world of CEA, which in itself is not the worst thing to have, I'd rather a carrier dog than a crippled with HD dog!! choosing the route of normal to normal is literally going to lead down a blind alley......... I made the mistake of making the comment that exceptional dogs in the genepool would be lost and then challenged to name them my mind as usual went blank, I could only think of Ceri's dog, and even then only the prefix shook itself loose from the recesses of my brain! thoughts??? regards karin p.s. Please don't turn this into another anti show dog jump fest, theories and maybe examples of good or exceptional dogs appreciated

Scrufts has been established for quite a few years, a fun day and in recent years is also getting local if not national television coverage.regards karin

As Red is recessive BOTH parents must carry the gene to produce it so, whoever told you it comes from the male is wrongregards karin

. Of course the KC show people are likely to say that breeding only normals is the way to go and that good breeders will do that; they will say that regardless of the fact that the ABCA registers carriers. Of course some breeders will decide to breed only normals; they will do that regardless of the fact that the ABCA registers carriers. The fact that the ABCA's recommendations are against excluding carriers from breeding will cut no ice with them, Actually the concensus of opinion here in the UK is that even if a dog /bitch is DNA 'd a carrier, provided the animal is worth breeding there is no reason not to bred back to a DNA normal. Why assume that all show breeders are going to be so blinkered as to exclude CEA carriers from the gene pool??? Interestingly the list of DNA results referred to is taken from results that have been published on lists I belong to of which the website owner is also a member. I was also interested to see that out of over 100 dogs tested only one result was from the USA, how many dogs in the USA in the working fraternity been tested and are their results given anywhere. The testers in Europe have been very frank with their resuslts good or bad. regards karin

I would hope that the ISDS will eventually allow dogs previously de registered to be used again,provided they are bred to DNA clear dogs then there is no chance of affected puppies. I think total eradication of CEA is probably going to be an unrealistic goal for the forseable future as there are always going to be the $$$??? hunters who choose not to test for anything at the present so will not bother with DNA testing anyway. I think a first step of not producing any affected puppies is a good place to start. regards karin

News from Optigen, good news on the DNA test, it looks like it will be available sooner rather than later. Although the news is not on the website yet, it is updated every friday so hopefully more information will be posted soon This is the latest news from the Optigen laboratory in the USA, received a couple of days ago: The CEA test is almost ready for release. We are sorting out some last minute administrative procedures, and deciding how to provide results to those owners who supplied samples for the research. We plan to have the test available by the end of November, if all goes smoothly. The test is set up in the lab and ready to go....when all else is ready. So, please check our website for the announcement - perhaps each Friday. Sincerely, Jeanette Felix _______________________________ Jeanette S. Felix, Ph.D. President and Manager Optigen, LLC Cornell Business & Technology Park 767 Warren Road, Suite 300 Ithaca, NY 14850 phone: 607-257-0301 fax: 607-257-0353 email: genetest@o...

Hip scores are not graded by excellent good or fair and have not been done like that here in the UK for many years, the national mean score of the border collie is currently 14 Karin

Yes she is a lovely girl, if you read the rest of the pages you would have seen Loeki, he was a rescue dog with 7 homes before Laura took him, sadly he passed away a week ago from an unexplained fit, a sad end for a lovely dog Karin

Thank you,I have found in the research and published details there is one dog that seems to be appearing a lot,it will be interesting to know if he appears in your pedigree too Karin

Hi Darien, I think I know most of the lines that CL has been Proven in but would be interested in any more info you may be able to give, I don't think names can be named on a public list so perhaps you could send them privately??thanks karin

What are the show lines based on........Original working lines, The small gene pool in Australia at the time is probably responsible for doubling up on the CL, but it had to originate from somewhere in the first place. There was a case of CL in Texas several years ago,the dog was from Unknown parentage,but assumed to be farm bred, I do not know any further details other than that. Karin

Just a tad complacent to say it hasn't been found outside Australian show lines isn't it???? There has been a suspected case here in the UK, the dogs owners did not want an autopsy so it was not completely confirmed, the dog in question was from ISDS lines only. CL can also be used as a model for Battens disease which affects children who rarely survive beyond 7 years of age. Also CL is not just a "show" illness in BC's it has been identiefied in other breeds, Red Setters, Dachunds and Chihuahua to name a few, there are more,just can't think of them off the top of my head Karin

To have a look at a lilac border collie, who is a different colour,lovely to look at and can work!! click on the link, Laura also works Ghost a slate merle who is also competing in trials http://www.caninecunning.com/Mist.htm Karin

Its a very interesting article, a shame though their colour genetics are innacurate. Karin

Eileen, You may consider the people I listed as pure conformation breeders, but between them they have produced and are still producing dogs that compete in both agility and obedience, so therefore regardless of the fact their dogs can and do show in the breed ring I do not consider them "Pure" conformation breeders, i.e. people who breed purely for how they expect their dogs to "look". I think the first Australian breed standard was as far back as 1927, the first UK breed standard was not the same as the australian one because the UK accepted, more coat variation and colour and ear set than the Aus one. A bit irrelevant really as the herding fraternity accepts and all all variations pure or not Karin