Ok, I don't know much about judging show dogs but I did find it odd that some of the judges are breeders/former breeders of a breed of dog that is in the group that they are judging. How do they keep their passon for a certain breed of dog from affecting their judgement. I tune in and out of the Westminister. I only watch the groups that I like. I just have a irritation for those poor poodles that look like someones ornamental trees. Sorry if I offended anyone. I'll take my silly, mud loving dog anyday!