Jodi

How is he getting away with selling ABCA registered pups if he's been disbarred from registering with the ABCA?

I'm not sure where to put this question, so I'm putting it here. I just bought a buffalo horn whistle from Border Collies in Action. I love it! The sound, the size, the tone, etc. The only drawback is ... the taste. Has anyone figured out any tricks for killing the taste a bit? Or does the taste wear off after a while? Thanks! Jodi

Taryn - Thank you for your interjection. "Normal," "well behaved," and "social to both people and dogs" is the bare minimum we, as a society, should expect from breeders who are taking it upon themselves to play God with dogs' genes. It's not something they should be patted on the back for. I just want to make it clear to any newbies reading this thread that while "normal" "well behaved" and "social to both people and dogs" are all very nice things to have in a pup, it does NOT equal "well bred." It goes way beyond that. And to make a full circle back to the original post of this thread, I'm glad to hear that Repo is normal and well behaved ... as all we were trying to tell Sharon is that he's a typical puppy from working lines who is exhibiting typical working line puppy behavior, and the reason it takes Sharon by surprise is because, as much as she would like to claim that Savvy works as well as any dog from working lines, he's still show bred, through and through. Jodi

Here is a link a friend of mine just sent me. WARNING: Some of it is horribly graphic!!!!!! This makes me sick. Article Jodi

Has anyone seen this site? Pet Shop Puppies Jodi

"This is just an excuse to now get everyone to forget the things you have stated in this thread." Rachel - By golly ... I think you hit the nail right on the head. Jodi

Rebecca! You have a bigger problem than just early tractor fumes. That permanent head-cocked-tongue-out thing is probably caused by licking the tobacco chew spit off the side of the barn. It's painfully obvious that Columbia MO has not learned much, if anything at all, from the last go-round we all had with her. Very sad. And of course she was just kidding about Repo having to win Open trials in a few years. She meant he'd have to win the Advanced AKC "B" course, because that is, after all, the same thing, right?!?!?! Jodi

Lunar - I understand what you are saying, and we all sound so mean after she stepped in and saved one of the pups from the puppy mill ... but after seeing her comments on some other boards, it's obvious that she now has a "real" Border Collie. What kind of comments? She commented that about half of the 50 ABCA registered dogs that she had seen during their first few introductions to sheep had been "washed out" by the third lesson because they would literally not even look at the sheep, but that EVERY SINGLE AKC conformation-bred dog that she had seen exposed to livestock has turned on within a couple of minutes ... la la la la... She gives reasons for this ... such as maybe the local farmers only bring their worst dogs to the stockdog trainers (where she is seeing them) and the AKC people only bring their best ones ... or that maybe because many of the washout dogs are kennel dogs who don't have a relationship with their owners, etc. Of course, this all happened on the AKC_BC Yahoo Group, where her entire audience will agree with her. If you're on that list, you can check message number 5963, 5991, and 5996 to see what I mean. There was another big, long thread on another board (the thread is gone now as the server crashed) where she spent a lot of time claiming that her AKC dog could competitively compete in USBCHA if he had a different handler, etc., and trying to convince people that the dog she has been competing with -- despite being a show champion -- is just as intense, just as talented, etc. So those of us who have read those threads, and now see this thread, where she is complaining about TYPICAL BC puppy behavior only confirms what we already knew was true. Jodi

I just want to thank Rebecca and Eileen for commenting on the differences between the AKC "B" course and a USBCHA trial much more eloquently than I could have. I've competed in AKC trials. In fact, if I was so inclined, my dog is ready for the advanced AKC "B" course, but I'll tell you ... we are nowhere NEAR ready for a USBCHA open trial. I'm sick to my stomach because I just entered him in his first ever pro-novice run that we don't have a shread of hope of winning. I'll be happy just to get through it without passing out. And most of the differences mentioned were simply the length of the outrun. I don't think the AKC ever required a maltese cross or an International shed. Jodi

"The BOTTOM LINE---You haven't held up your end of the deal in his training...start doing it." Amen. Jodi

"First of all, Repo definitely came from a puppy mill, but he is quite a well bred herding dog. Both his parents were bought from decent working stockdog breeders under false pretenses. With the help of ABCA, I tracked down these breeders, and they were shocked to find out that the person they sold them to had been a puppy miller--one actually burst into tears when he heard the news." Sharon, I think you're missing the point. Julie said, "we should remember that the pup in question came from a puppy mill and in no way represents a well-bred working dog any more than Columbia's other dog does." It's fabulous that Repo's parents both come from working lines, and that one breeder cared so much that they burst into tears, but that's neither here nor there. The point is that Repo's breeder has never proven her dogs' working ability, and has no idea how one dog would compliment another as far as working ability is concerned. Just because a male dog and a female dog may have come out of nice lines does not automatically mean that breeding that male to that female will get a good result. Repo's breeder is clueless about a dog's working ability, and those litters were produced for money. So I think Julie's statement hit the nail on the head. Jodi

Yeah, I have to admit. Kelpies are really darned cool dogs. If I were ever to stray from the Border Collie, a Kelpie would definately be it. Jodi

Andrea - Hey! I know Crow! He's an awesome dog! And Kelly does a great job with him. Jodi

I'm sorry -- but not surprised -- to see that Brilliant Dawn didn't show back up to answer my questions. I was going to ask her if she ever gets quality buyers from her ad on http://www.pupcity.com/puppies-for-sale/view.asp?adid=3118 where she states: "We breed border collies for temperment, companions, herding, obedience, and sometimes show quality pups are available. We have an assortment of colours available and Short haired border collies to. We believe that there is noe better dog then the border collie. We will have pups available shortly. Take a look at my website and if you are interested in a pup e-mail me your name and number and any questions you have. I will contact you and get to know you a lil then put you on my waiting list. I will then contact you when pups are available. I have all `buyers sign a puppy contract with a no breeding agreement. Certain situations are taken into consideration. For anymore information dont hesitate to contact me." I'd love to know how she masters breeding for 5 different things: "temperment, companions, herding, obedience, and sometimes show quality" That must be one amazing breeding program! ~J~

Brildwn - Was there something you'd like to add? Why button your lip? Like it says on your website ... "IMPORTANT NOTE: Every one has their own oppinion about border collies. Some say they should not be shown and some believe other wise. It is important to realize that we are all here because of our fondness of this wonderful breed and we should all remember that our actions affect the breed now and in the future. Personaly I believe that if your border collie can heard and you want to show him/her (only if they are suffeciently able to do what it was bread to do which is heard) then go ahead. This is my oppinion and I hope that you all respect it as I will do to yours! You will see much contriversy about this topic!" Do you show in conformation? Do you work your dogs on livestock? I see you also breed ... Can you fill us in about your breeding program a bit and the accomplishments of the dogs you've bred, and how their pups have turned out? Jodi

Yes, Shere, I'm "HayEwe" - aka the "Inquisitive One" - that was asking about whether or not you'd had Bailey's hips tested in light of the results I found on the OFA site from one of his littermates. I was having a hard time maintaining a nice, private conversation with you while you were posting as "Shewster" and knowing it was you from your IP address. Jodi

Shandalei - Why is your IP address the same as "Shewster" in the "Introduction" page? And it seems that you're the only person that has come to Shere's defense. Maybe some honesty would be nice for a change ... eh, Shere? Jodi

Hi Rena - I lived in Sunland for 15 years. E-mail me or PM me. I can make a few recommendations. Jodi

Good post, Rebecca. I agree. Too many things can go wrong when they are this young. Things that they may never grow out of. If the human's timing is off by just a couple of seconds, puppy can get slammed courtesy of the ewe's hard head ... and may never want to go near another big white fluffy thing again. I've seen it happen. I've got two 4 1/2 month old pups here now, and besides playing and introducing new things, we're just working on a solid down and a solid recall -- two commands I consider a vital part of their lives. I'm not in any hurry to start training them on stock. We have plenty of time for that. Jodi

I think "Barbie Collie" has a nice ring to it. Jodi

Here's the Parson Russell Terrier Association of America's take on the whole thing. PRTAA's History The last paragraph reads: "In July of 1997, the Board of Directors of the American Kennel Club unanimously accepted the Jack Russell Terrier into its registry, effective November 1, 1997. On January 1, 1998 the breed became eligible for competition in all AKC events, including conformation participation in the Miscellaneous Class at all-breed shows. The breed was accepted into the AKC Terrier Group on April 1, 2000. On April 1, 2003, the name of the breed was changed from Jack Russell Terrier to Parson Russell Terrier to differentiate the true Parson-type terrier from little generic terriers casually referred to as "Jack Russell". The Jack Russell Terrier Association of America club name was changed to Parson Russell Terrier Association of America (PRTAA). The Breed Standard was revised effective September 29, 2004." Little generic terriers? LOL. Will the working bred Border Collies be referred to as "Little generic Border Collies"? Jodi

"I paid $1000" ... "a show dog from champion parents" ... "she breeds dogs for show" ... "She is the ideal breeder you read about." Not in my opinion. "... she recommended one of her show dog lines as they are bred more for temperment that herding..." Do her herding dogs have bad temperaments? Is this to infer that dogs from herding lines don't have stable temperaments? I completely disagree. And all the stuff about hip checks, elbows, eyes, and taking the pup back ... you can find that a lot nowadays. And for $1,000 ... this dog should come with a 14K gold collar, a silk bed stuffed with golden fleece, and a diamond inlay leash. If breeding for temperament, why breed Border Collies? Why not Golden Retrievers? Jodi

Rocky Mountain BC Rescue - Oreo Now there's a cute girl who sounds like your typical BC. I don't imagine she'd be to hard to train. Jodi

David - No one called you an idiot. No one called you a jerk. We just didn't give you the answer you wanted, that's all. Check the shelter. I'm sure they'll have exactly what you need. Or does it have to be a purebred from a breeder because "this dog is to be used as the star in very expensive high definition commercials over the next four to five years"?? Are dogs from the shelter not good enough? There's probably "retired" Border Collies who used to do commercials in the shelters... Oh, and I'm sure the dog doesn't give a rootin' tootin' who shoots the video or where it gets aired. Jodi

Dave - Obviously the points were missed. We're not worried about that home THAT particular dog will have. We're worried about the homes, or lack thereof, the dogs who are bought because of a commercial seen with a cute, oh so smart, Border Collie in it. Do we know of any trained Border Collies? Sure, I know plenty. In fact, I have a few right here. They can sit and stay and wave and bow and lie down and hop on their hind legs and pick things up and hold it or drop it and spin and speak and roll over and "stick 'em up" (among various other things -- including herd sheep quite well) and do all the cutesy little things these dogs do in commercials. But, hey, I just thought of another idea. Why don't you look for one who nips children's heels, digs out of their kennel, jumps over a six foot fence, tears the house apart, etc. Then put all THOSE traits in a commercial. I would support that. At least then, when people who don't know anything about these dogs don't expect miracles to happen, maybe they won't buy them out of the pet store only to drop them off at the pound a year later... {sigh} Jodi