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Does the ABCA give out limited registration papers? Like a no breeding listing? TIA

It's funny, I have 5 dogs at the moment. 3 inside and my guardians out. They all get along. Some play with each other some don't. But if I took them to a daycare type setting I have a feeling they would feel a bit betrayed by me. I think I'd find them all, even the lgds sitting in a corner waiting for my return. My dogs don't interact with other dogs. They have their own pack. And yes, I know I'm lucky to have a "pack" of dogs. They are 2 different breeds, but I definitely know the breed snobs they are. Mine just don't think it's fun or polite to interact with any other dogs. They aren't mean, they just don't exist to them. They don't fight but won't be picked on either. I've never been a fan of doggy daycare. Since I work at home and see what my dogs are up to most of the time, I realize they are perfectly content to laze around till it's time to play (more stock work for them but they would just as easy adapt to play or other dog sports). They are as lazy as I need them to be. My whole point is, I really think some dog people, like sport moms over do it. Keeping their dogs busy all the time and in the end they make busy dogs. Just my 2cents Cheers

I guess I'm confused. She already does a bunch with this dog. Only place it acts out is daycare? Why is she supposed to do a bunch more stuff with her dog when all she sees is a content well mannered dog. Answer seem obvious to me. Quit daycare. And I thought I read the only time she goes to daycare is for her cleaning crew. Address things as they come. It's not about quantity. It's about quality. Maybe i missed some key thing?

Haven't been on the boards forever! But I popped on to have a look see. I didn't throughly read all the answers so excuse me if anyone has suggested this. 18 months is hard. But not that hard. She sounds perfect at home. Why not take her on a short walk in the am. And a short walk in the pm. If you're home through the day let her hang with you. On the days u have your house keeper come (gah if only!) Put her in the Kennel and let her be. She is perfectly able to get used to a cleaning person if it's a routine thing. Maybe stay a while the first time to make sure she behaves. After that off u go. Have the cleaning person toss her a treat as she leaves your place and you should come home to a happy dog.

Do u know he's been abused? I have head shy dogs. Again, they are related but I know no one or thing has hit them. They're just a bit handler over them shy. No abuse. If you're sure he's been abused I would try to erase that from your head. That way you look at him normally instead of trying to analyze why. Move forward from this minute. He will get over his issues if time is given and routines are established. In my rescue circles we say... 3 days 3 weeks 3 months before you get to see hints of your actual dog. And well over 6-8 months to be "home"

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I have a 1 year old pup. I bred her. She is a happy camper and has never been abused or neglected. Her best friend is her momma. She happily did "tricks" as a wee one. Sit, paw, stay etc. Few months ago she decided she isn't going to do tricks, they are horrible and not worth any treat. She is also very wiggy about me putting my arm around her. I chalked it off to oh well, she'll out grows it. Interestingly enough she is out growing it, I don't demand what I don't need and no matter what she must do the important stuff (recall, not get into sheep or chickens etc.) So I spoke to another littermate puppy owner and her pup is the exact same way. Long short of it. .... if u don't make a big deal out of it I think it will fade and, it can be genetic. Other litter mates aren't acting like this. I also don't usually give her a chance to run from those boggy things. I just toss the treat close and walk away. If they run hide, they are self rewarding their fears. Place them in a crate, happily so it's a good place for all not an escape from the boggy or you. If u worry they worry.

When I put 1 rams together I put them in a space where it is to small to really run at each other. Llamas are different "boxers". If you have well trained dogs you might use a dog to work the llamas enough that they worry about the dogs more than each other. Another way is give them each some sheep. keep them close but apart. Llet them bond to their sheep, change the sheep out for a while to where they each have each others then put the whole kit and caboodle together. They sometimes can get so worried about their charges that they forget to fight. Time and space is your friend. They don't have to like each other they just have to not fight!

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I don't know where u live but Seresto collar didn't work for us this year on our LGD. I tick piked nightly with 20 or more ticks. She was on Doxy 2x's. Is bravecto then month pill? That is what finally worked for us. We live near St. Louis MO

I don't get to read the board very much these days ut moved to post on this one. Geonni, I have 4 very nicely bred border collies. We live on a sheep farm. If I'm working (job not sheep) or otherwise busy the dogs get outside often but don't always get to work stock. Faye and her daughter would really really like to work sheep everyday. Everyday they go and check out the sheep and often times I see them look longingly at their sheep. But when called off the fence they come running over and start playing. Either with each other or with me. They are so happy the shine. They smile and they gunuinely love their life. Sheep or not they are happy girls! Once Maid gets used to her life I think you will be pleasantly suprised at how happy she will be sheep or no sheep. Or sheep once in a while. Just suggesting you give thought to you being a very good match for both your dogs. Sometimes it's ok to be selfish and do what feels good to you. A happy you makes happy dogs!

I was thinking about all that has been discussed here for a bit. Cultural might not be the word I would use. More like neighborhood rules. I think Chene's dog park is a free for all dog park. She acts or does what others do at that park. Other neighboring (dog or not) parks might be totally different. People tend to act in kind depending on where they are. I have a pack of dogs. They play quite well with each other. Like family kids. But they dont know other dog rules and probably wouldnt play without knowing what's expected of them. Single dogs have to adapt to the dogs around them if they want to interact with any dogs. An ever changing situation for sure. I could never let my dogs interrupt another's fetch game. The other dog wouldn't have a chance...our home rules are whoever gets it ownes the ball. The poor dog that they joined would never get the ball again. So if my dog did "steal" the ball I'd make them stop. Smile and move on. I don't feel the need to appoligize. It's just a game. I doubt most dogs would join our rough game but if they did and won the ball mine wouldn't try to fight them. They'd just run that much harder and faster the next throw. As far as the pittie sniffing butts, I have a feeling since you said your dog really didn't mind, that it was a bit of breed "scare" for you. If it had been a young not reputation ruined pitty, but a friendly smaller mutt, you probably wouldn't have been rude (if you truely were) I can and do smile and say in one way or another F-off if i feel the need and the person or kid never realizes what happened until it's over. I think that comes with age. Lol My dogs, even the jerky one will tolerate a lot from strang dogs, I expect that. But I would surely intervene before my dogs ever decided they had enough of a rude dog. They expect that of me. I am blessed to have acreage and availability of other places that I don't need a leash. Reading this long thread reminds of just how lucky I am. Btw My dogs fetch game is very odd. As I said, the first one to get the ball "wins" but the jerk dog (who still thinks he's alpha) can never get there fast enough to fetch the ball. So my 2 other fetching girls run around with the prize for a moment then drop it at Mick's feet. No one but him returns the ball. Ever! The young one just sits on my feet and watches. She doesn't know the rules quite yet so she doesn't want to play. Although she does play if I take her out alone. IMO if my dog wasn't just about bomb proof I probably wouldn't take him to places where we could get in trouble. Just easier that way.

For a short while it wouldn't hurt to keep a short check cord on the fighter(s). That way whoever provokes the spats can be given a quick yank off the other dog and a correction at the same time, if you see it happen. I wouldn't act all freaked out or upset or sad for the loser. Just matter of fact "knock it off ya jerks" a check cord is maybe an 8 inch light line you just clip to his collar and leave on. I'm sure he suprises himself with his little power trips or quick snarks. He could just be responding to hormones and then look and feel suprised at himself. Also the other more dominant dogs maybe be provoking it a bit feeling his change in hormones resting of position. They could be reminding him where he belongs.

I understand the issues with early neutering and spaying but I also know from experience that it can and often does change their behavior and the need challange pack orders. Some dog much more than others. I really think this is an issue of the dog feeling his hormones raging and trying to figure out the hierachary with his new found prowness. Most dogs that aren't affected (I never know if it's affected or effected) by neutering are those that have a strong leader and a solid pack order. Which doesn't sound like this dog has. No offence to the op. You can't know what you haven't learned yet. So really in this particular case given what the op has written, I feel it would have a good outcome. Yes their are risks but a heck of allot of dogs have been altered at way younger and done just fine. Others milage may vary.

I've seen dogs turn around with a new home or proper handling. I have a very soft handler sensitive dog. But she is not soft on stock. If she is handled harshly she will quit the handler and push on the stock. Her mother was nicely bred, very nicely bred. Totally turned off stock by several different handlers. Took 6 months being penned next to stock watching other dogs working, having fun. She never came back totally for handlers or much training but you could tell she had been talented. She now lives on a cattle farm with people who don't control her work her. They just let her work how she feels comfortable. She has blossomed into a wonderful farm dog. My newest pup is handler soft but I haven't started her yet. I will take a long time to start her. As someone mentioned, be very careful who you choose if you send her off. I will make a shameless plug for Angie Coker-Sells. She started Faye wonderfully and she is very handler sensitive. Her keeness keeps her happy. Good luck Geonnie

I found her through fb and the lgd pages. I ended up talking with her breeder in CA but I didn't want a puppy. I recently lost 9 sheep to neighborhood dogs. Jesse is a defensive dog not an aggressive dog. She tried her heart out but couldn't do it. So i needed an out of the box lgd. The breeder sent me to her. She was living in Mississippi in a garage. Her family moved from MO country to Mississippi city. I talked to them for a week and drove down to pick her up. She has a lot of learning to do to be a totally outside dog but she is doing her job. I am out of town for work most of the time sept. Through dec. The 2 attacks happened my first week of out of town. So I scrambled very hard to work it out! She is a blessing!

I recently brought my rescue caucassion ovcharka and my 6 month old bc Nanny to petco for a rabies clinic. Nika the CO has only been here 3 weeks. I am not familiar with all of her personality. I first asked if I could wait till the end and they might be able to come out to my car. Nope that was against the rules. So in we come (both are nicely leash trained and like each other) Nika goes 140lbs and has had all of her ears cropped off by her Russian breeder (breed standard) I was amazed at the stupid adults that cruzed right up to her face. I said rather loudly that she is a rescue and I have no idea if she will bite strangers. All the kids kept back and were nervous with her big ol head at their eye level. But adults....wth? I went down a back isle to wait our turn. Most people saw us sitting quietly on the floor and turned the other way. Until a stupid young lady with a petco grooming jacket on comes up and asked if this was where biting dogs waited. I looked at her and shook my head saying no but it could be if she brought her "biting" dog to us. She still didn't get it. Other employees shooed her away from us. We got our shots with no incidence. I found out Nika is pretty bomb proof (I kinda knew this) and petco is full of idiots. Including the vet who did our shots. She accused me of butchering my dogs ears even though I explained she was a rescue and I hadn't had her that long. Then she told me I must be totally mistaken that Nanny couldn't be 6 months because she had a full set of adult teeth. I again explained I had bred her and knew her exact b-day. She shook her head and said I must be mistaken. And that she really didn't look pure bred. I really did want to tell Nika to bite her, just a little bit. But I refrained. Long story longer. I thought Nika was scarry looking enough I could keep people away. Not the case. We were only there because my vet was closed and I was leaving town so had decided it was pretty important to get a rabies shot before I left. Stupid people. Kids are teachable, I use my dogs to explain some are nice and some are not and you can't tell the difference by looking at them. But adults....not so much! Btw Did i mention love my new LGD and am totally lucky I found her.

But it won't hurt the situation either.

I like all the advice given above but have a another couple ideas to throw out there. Declan has had his world turned upside down. What seems to you as an easy transition. Might not be for him. I'd still be looking at pain but... I have a 5 month old puppy. She is as friendly as can be. When she gets over tired she directs a sort of agressive plaything with her mother. Growling harshly and trying to bite her with meanness. Her mom just walks away and goes to where Nanny can't get to her. She will then come flying over to me acting like she wants to play or be petted. But she is all riled up and will growl and try to bite at my hand, again way to hard. If it's play, it's way to rough. As of now I correct her (say her name harshly and tell her to knock it off and make her lie down for a rest. She gets up a few hours later back to her angle self. But Declan might be on sorta of semipermanent overdrive given his surroundings being in a sort of holding pattern of stress. Mostly he manages but sometimes he might be over whelmed or tired. I read Nanny's body language and kinda know when it's going to happen. Is your father one of his play buddies most of the time? If So could he be more likely to snap at his buddy? And his age is right at another fear stage...could be confusing him more. If you can see the trigger starting to happen and if you watch close I'll bet he's giving a sign you just haven't seen it yet, have him go to his crate before it happens. Not as punishment but happily with a treat for a nap or a calm down period. Best advise I've read up above since we don't really know what is wrong is to not give ace....ever...bad drug! Omt...I have an old dog who I got at 5 weeks old, (long story too) he has never been "right" on his reactions to stress. Although he has never snapped at a human, his social skills are a mess when it comes to other dogs. He is old, he is much more manageable now but the most important thing I learned is when he's upset or "freaked out" I never yell or sternly correct. I redirect and it works perfectly for him. When I got angry or scarred it was like I was telling him to mirror me and it was very ugly. There is hope no matter what. Tomorrow is a new day for all of you!

I know I'm taking a risk but my car is tiny and I have to many dogs to have crates for them. They just don't fit. So yes we're at risk for an accident but let me say, some dogs are perfectly fine riding quietly in the car. My dogs all sit or sleep. It they get up at all its to see where we are and if there is a drive through up ahead. Other than that car rides are only a means to get to the next fun place we're going. So yrs a warning about accidents us in order but the rest....not so much I'm not a flexible fan either. I can't imagine encouraging biting a leash in to pieces. If not for price alone it's just not a good practice. A lite weight chain leash will do the trick while you're training the new idea of not chewing the leash. Blue is freaking adorable!

I tick pick nightly or even more. I can hardly pet any dog without tick picking. Long ago my kids got lice. I nit picked them till almost adulthood. It is like an obession for me. Can't stand the little buggers. I've gotten good enough that I can pick one handed while driving without looking! Lol but those damn little ones that bury their bodies to take eyes and sometimes a tweezer. If I get a tick on me it will leave a welt for a couple weeks. The lgd is as obsessed as I am, she comes over ro me and directs my hand to where she needs picking. YUCK! I HATE TICKS!

Mick was diag. at 3. he had 2 fusions. I retired him from training but he worked lightly and still does. We swam a lot and played ball with no jumping. I think the key was to not train long periods. He would do anything I ask or try, and that's when I think he was prone to get hurt. Self regulating he was fine. Now at 13, if we walk and he gets tired he stops. We walk at home so no biggie. Funniest thing is to let him go get sheep. If they are close no problem. If they are up the hill at a distance he will run about half way up then sit down look for Dew and wait till she goes and gets the sheep delivers them to him and he proudly brings them back like he did the whole job. It's the same with ball play. He isn't fastest or nor does he want to run after the ball. He runs out a bit then lets his girls get the ball, they both return it to him. drop it in front of him where he picks it up and does the final return to me. He is old he knows his limits. It was my job to know them when he was young and not expose him to more than that. He does love a light back rub when ever I do it. and he rolls around on his back in the grass everyday. I think the stretch it gives his back feels good. We used to do chiropractic visits but these days he just does his thing and is quite happy! His brother ended up in a wheel chair. Blew a disc out from spinal pressure during a trial. They didn't know about the issues these pups had. He had surgery to try and remove the shrapnel but was unsuccessful. Can't really say the difference between the 2 dogs except I found out and retired Mick from stressful activity and the other owners didn't know so continued to trial and train their dog. but who really knows.

Well bring it on Liz! Got 7 little puppy breath factories!

Thanks guys Teresa I'm in Missouri so you're safe. Portugal is way to far to come visit! love puppy noises. They are just darling. They sound like cats purring or human babies whining. Geesh....I'm smitten. I'm sure things will change with puppy poop but for now...bliss! We need a like button same as on FB.