reploidphoenix

He IS a reactive dog per the trainers I've met with. By reactive, I mean he barks at theTV, reflections, strangers, noises outside, objects like buckets or things laying around. Sometimes he just barks out of no where all triggered. It's a confidence issue that is being worked on and we have made SOME progress. He wears a thundershirt alot and the trainer is doing tellington t touch along with positive training. He will never be 100%, but he has gotten better. Sounds that used to set him off immediately he can now ignore most of the time unless hes tired.

Hes honestly very sweet and very loving..hes just very unconfident. He is what he is. All I can do with a trainer is help him cope better in situations that scare him

My friend that has Lola's sister has an intact Male. She wouldn't let him near her the same way. They had them in the same house for over 6 years lol. The diaper she has is pretty tight and her tail barely fits through the hole. Theres no possible way they could mate with it on. I honestly waited until he lost interest in following her around. Her bleeding is heavy and usually lasts a little over 3 weeks. I kept the diaper on an extra week or so after that. Hell probably be fixed by the time she comes into season again

The Male will be getting fixed. I'm waiting for them to be old enough. I think it was recommended 14 months atleast to give their growth plates time to close? For now I just her diaper on her through her heat up until her swelling is gone. She honestly snaps at him if he tries to even sniff her during that time..so I dont think shed let him mount.

I guess my girl was so good at a young age I took her awsome behavior for granted and see his as a bit abnormal.  I was able at 8 months to leave her home while I was at work for 7+ hours. I cant even leave him alone at 10 months while I take a shower or he ends up getting into something. Last time I tried he was chewing on my bathing suit lol. Today I caught him chewing on the cord to my electric blanket. He has PLENTY to chew on....so yeah .The marking did not coincide with her heat, but it has been corrected atleast inside the house. Were still working on public places with the marking. 

I meant for lola(my bitch) snaps at him for sniffing her in season. To HER its crossing a line, not with me. (Its the only time she seems to snap at him) Hes a horny little adolescent pup. What I mean about him thinking correction is funny is my in laws German shepherd will snap and bark at him, and hell run circles around the room as if he thinks shes playing. She cant catch him, so he continues egging her on running away from her..running up and biting her then running away. It's like he doesnt understand her language. 

Lola does hide sometimes when he gets too rough..even though in this video shes instigating with the bark. Theres times we play and shell grab the ball first and hell come barreling at her full speed and bite her, making her flip and roll. Theres times shes dropped the ball and will refuse to play with me because she doesnt want to get chased down or bit. It's not intentional aggression on his part from what I can tell...just being rowdy 

He thinks when other dogs correct him that it's funny. My girl wont correct him usually, unless hes crossing a line like sniffing her while shes in heat. We have a dog that visits every couple weeks that puts him in his place and runs around like shes playing with him...

His rough play seems to be over-arousal,  but theres very little warning. Hes fine one minute and then bursts into energy out of no where and becomes nuts.

Maybe mostly what I'm seeing is just a young pup without body awareness..my other dog will be laying on the couch and he acts like shes not even there and just jumps ontop of her full force and lays down. My other dog then gets up and lays in her bed being annoyed. With toys he used to snatch things out of our hands and get our hands too..its been alot to get him to take things nice. Sometimes he seems so frenzied to get a toy, especially before my girl gets it he knocks over anything and everything to get it.

Is this maybe just something he may grow out of? My girl is only 34lb..the boy is pushing 55lbs

Heres a video of her hiding behind a table since hes been rough and she tries to ignore him. I do admit I feel shes instigating him with the barking..

He gets pushy and over excited in play as well. He bites my other dog hard sometimes and makes her yelp because hes rough. His half brother has been kicked out of 3 daycares for the same issue. There anyway to help that? Hes obviously not a child that u can tell him hes behavior is too rough

6 minutes ago, ShellyF said:

I hear you re the ice! We regularly have that. 

I set up hunt the treat in the house. I hide lots of Bits of kibble and off he goes. 

I also teach him the name of toys. I put a treat on the toy I want him to find and then say ‘find ******’ 

When he finds the treat he finds the toy and I praise him. Eventually he finds the toy by name without the treat. Then I hide that toy without a treat and send him to find it. Once he gets the hang of it you can have several named toys. You can alternative what he has to find to really get his brain working. 

We also have soft footballs in the house and play herd the ball. We taught him to lie down and watch and nudge and then grip. 

Enjoy

Thanks for the suggestion! He would really like hunting for treats throughout the house. Hes got a really good sniffer on him. Right now indoors he obsesses over fetch and throws the toys at ur chest or face. Last week I taught him to back up into his bed and lay down before I throw it. I like the game more when I can throw the ball a good 50-100 feet outside and have him run up and down the hill for it.

Funny enough during fetch he tires easily and lays down with the ball. It's not enough to keep him down for long though....

Heres a video. I let my girl out to potty and he thought he were playing instead, so he got upset. That bark halfway he thought he heard something. That happens randomly all day even in the house

By being worse I mean if hes unsettled and rough, putting him in his crate makes him all that much worse when I let him back out. It's like all the energy of being anxious builds up. He does cry in his crate if hes not tired. If I'm giving attention to my other dog he screams this piercing scream.

The trainer I'm working with thinks the rowdy/roughness is his way of releasing the anxiety. Even in play he acts frantic all the time where he runs into walls and doesnt watch where hes going. If a person has anxiety they move, fidget, clean. It's a way of releasing that tension. I'm sure dogs are similar.  I'll try to get some videos of his craziness today and what I mean by being rough

2 hours ago, D'Elle said:

Make your training sessions shorter and give more treats, and do many short training sessions throughout the day if you can. Other than that, if I had a dog who was plowing through the house I would put the dog into a crate until he settled down. Then let him out and if he starts going manic again, back into the crate he goes. Do it wil a totally neutral attitude, and never with a punishing one. He needs to learn an "off switch"; to settle down and be calm when that is needed. It is up to you to train this, since he is unlikely to learn it on his own. You don't define "reactive", so I cannot be sure what you mean by that and therefore cannot address that issue.

By reactive, he just barks at random noises, strangers, dogs. Hes on high alert all the time.

Honestly, I dont think I will be able to  teach an off switch. The things I mentioned above to calm him have helped, but aren't a fix all. For example: at night he cant settle, even when exhausted. He will do paces around the house in circles around the couch and through the kitchen, then back again. Only thing at night that helps him settle is putting him in his crate.

When hes being rough and crazy, putting him in his crate makes him 100x worse.

Some background: hes highly inbred which I think started this issues..so I think it's more of a maintenance then a fixer

I mean I was looking for something other then trick training to keep him occupied.  Something possibly indoors because of the ice we have everywhere. I would take him to public places, but he is reactive and I dont want to freak him out.

This may also be slightly helpful..

My reactive pup reacts badly to strangers when they look different.. if they are very tall, he reacts. If they have a hat on, sunglasses, or anything foreign in their hand forget it.

In my own troubles with a reactive pup, I've got a thunder shirt and someone working on tellington t-touch.(which you wont be able to use until he trusts you).

Before my pup would trust me to grind his nails, I had to pick up his paw and reward many times before I even attempted. Then would hold the trimmer to him without doing anything and reward. Months later he puts up with it knowing hell get treats if he sucks it up. You can use this method with the burrs in his hair.

You could also try saying his name in different tones and giving him treats as you do this. It re-associates his name with good things.

The snapping sounds fear related and not true aggression.  When you have a reactive dog, it seems they're always on high alert. If hes getting to that point of snapping, his anxiety has reached a level he can no longer cope with.

I also noticed I tried to socialize my pup to everything as quickly as I could when he was young, and it clearly made him worse. They can take a long time to decompress from a stressful situation.  I would keep him in a comfort zone for now until he starts to be more relaxed. If hes chillin in his crate or if hes walking by, just drop treats. No pets, dont look at him. Hell associate you with good things 

I have a 10 month old unneutered boy. Hes reactive, but no longer fearful like he was a couple months ago. 

I have a trainer working on him with tellington t-touch, he has a thunder shirt, and I've gotten him the cbd edibles treats. I'll probably be getting a fermone defuser too.

My question is, where do I take him and how do I keep him occupied when hes reactive? If he doesnt like new experiences, how do I keep him happy? Right now he gets into everything and is constantly  up in my grill when I'm trying to do something. Hes extremely rough and plows through everything in the house(which I assume is anxiety/tension related). 

I try to exercise him, but everything has been ice the past week(exercise hasnt really been a cure anyway).

Doing trick work doesnt tire him out as he gets frustrated and wiggly easily.

Any suggestions to really work his mind? Hes getting to the point I can only take so much and then hes gotta go in his crate because hes into EVERYTHING. I never had this problem with my female.

Hes only done it about 4 times. My husband bought a new jacket and he peed on that. Then he peed on our fake Christmas tree. I put a chair back in the Christmas trees place and he started to lift his leg and I caught him. This week is the first time I had him out in a public place not outside in a couple weeks(and a place he knew well!) And tried to mark.

I also forgot to mention it could be partially due to my bitch in the same house being in heat?

I'll try the belly band in public places incase I dont catch him in time with a correction before he piddles on something.  Luckily, after I caught him trying to pee on the chair hes hasnt had any other accidents inside the house.

Anything I say to him doesnt stop him. Even trying to pull him away from the structure with a verbal correction doesnt work. Should I bring like a can of pennies or something to startle him?

My problem child boy is having issues. I think it's more of a marking issue? He was fine for months..now if something new comes into the house he tries to pee on it. I used to take him with when I worked at the petstore down the street with no accidents. I visited yesterday and he wasnt there 5 secs trying to lift his leg on structures. 

Is this more of something that will stop if a neuter him? Hes an anxious dog..could it be related? Any suggestions on what to do to stop it? For now I obviously cant take him over friends houses or to public places since he tries to pee on everything.

Ps. Hes about 10 months old

16 minutes ago, GentleLake said:

I'm genuinely happy that he's got a loving home, and I say that without any sarcasm or irony.

However, it's important to understand that that kind of thinking is what keeps puppy mills and pet stores that sell their puppies in business. I'm not saying that's your thinking, but it is the rationalization that far too many people use to justify purchasing from known puppy mills and their agents. But the end result is that even more puppies are produced by these people.

Not to belabor the point, but it's why people should know who they're buying from.

I was friends with the person selling them. She told me twice a year she would buy puppies from a breeder in NY to get her puppy fix without having to keep them. She sells them in my area. He was very young, and her dog from the same breeder is perfect. Not all pups are effected by bad breeding. One relative will bite ur face off if you come anywhere near the owner. The other two have fear aggression and resource guarding. My neighbors dog that is a half brother has been kick out of multiple day cares for rough play/borderline aggression. 

My pup was very young when I got him and seemed ok. About a week after I got him he became reactive..even though from the beginning he had resource guarding i fixed. This "friend" blamed his issues on me, saying he wasnt this way when she had him. She offered to take him back, but I don't see animals as disposable.  He had become attached to us and it's not fair. I'm just mad at very least this person continues to buy and sell pups from this breeder. If shes going buy and sell puppies(as wrong as it is in and if itself), atleast find a breeder with good dogs. It looks bad on the breed, and it's a shame these dogs live with their mental issues.

My girl lola I waited a year for that breeder to have pups. She was an "opps" litter from a sire he didnt plan on breeding, but was a gift from a family member. She has no repeats in her family tree anywhere. I chose him because my other friend has 3 of his dogs.

1 hour ago, terrecar said:

This is what I got. When I tried to save the file via the website, it came up as a blank .txt file. I got around that but the format is sequential and too long to post here.

ABC 468959

Inbreeding: F = 25.00%
25.00% through ABC 343222 (1 path)

ETA: If I had paid better attention, I’d have seen your pup’s COI was 25% without plugging in the numbers, since he is from a father-daughter breeding. Oh well.

 

 

Thanks for doing that for me. I really appreciate your time. I look at as hes got a loving home where he could have ended up at a shelter or rescue

8 minutes ago, terrecar said:

Clear your browser’s cache before trying my suggestion. When I tried it a second time I got a blank page, but after clearing my cache it worked.

I cant seem to get it to work even after that. I could take a screen shot of his paper if anyone is willing

59 minutes ago, GentleLake said:

It's not an issue of its not mattering to the organization, but one of not imposing regulations. Those are 2 different things. 

There can arguably be legitimate reasons for some careful and thoughtful inbreeding, though rarely to the extent that you're describing.

It doesn't make much sense for you to be redirecting your anger and frustration with this breeder onto the registry. It would be more appropriate to admit that you made an impulsive decision without informing yourselves of the reputability and got burned by an irresponsible puppy miller.

It happens. It's time to move on. If there's something you can do to warn others to steer clear of these folks by identifying them publicly, then by all means do it. But there's really no one else to blame but the people at fault for making the decisions, which are primarily the breeders and secondarily you for not doing your due diligence before purchasing the pup.

 

Oh, I'm not trying to attack the abca..I'm just wondering why they dont regulate it more carefully to avoid cases like this is all. I solely blame the breeder for spitting out puppies every couple months and selling them to a broker to get rid of. Someone also said puppy mills aren't illegal unless neglect can be proven.

Hes a sweet dog honestly...its just a real shame. Its upsetting to me they're still spitting out these puppies

16 hours ago, Hooper2 said:

This is a pretty complicated issue. One thing to be aware of is that even if one parent is highly inbred as is the case with the sire of your pup, that doesn't make your puppy inbred IF the mother was not closely related to the sire.   It seems counter intuitive, but two highly inbred parents don't produce inbred offspring unless the two parents are closely related to each other. 

What you really have to look at is how many common ancestors are behind both the sire and the dam, how many times these common ancestors show up on both the top and bottom half of the pedigree, and how far back in the pedigree these common ancestors are.  If you go to this site  http://bullypedigrees.com/inbreeding-calculator/    there is a nifty FREE tool in which you can enter the pedigree information and it will calculate a coefficient of inbreeding for you (COI).  The catch is that the COI can increase, sometimes a lot, the more generations you enter.  But the COI will only get worse (increase) as you add generations, it won't improve (decrease) as you add generations.   So if you have a high COI in three or four generations you know you have a highly inbred dog.  If you have a low COI with three or four generations, you might still find out your dog is more inbred as you go further back in the pedigree.  Anyway, the site I linked has lots of other links to discussions of COI.  You can spend hours there if you are so inclined.

So, what's a high COI you ask?   Well, ask 10 breeders and you'll get 10 different answers.  But, generally,  breeders kinda sorta recognize that a breed is in trouble if the COI across the whole population is above about 10 %.   I've seen recommendations that individual litters should have COI's below 2.5 %, but again, no hard and fast rules here. 

So, if the your dog has a pair of grandparents on one side of the pedigree that are great grandparents on the other half, you already have a COI of about 3.1 % which many breeders would consider to be on the high end of what might be acceptable.  If the father/grandfather of your pup's sire is the one that is also the great grandfather of your dam, then the COI will be higher.  And that's only going back 4 generations.   It could be much higher by the time you went back a few more generations and found more dogs that showed up multiple times on both sides of the pedigree.

Does all of this explain your pup's behavior issues?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  Behavior and health and fertility and longevity problems can crop up in outcrossed litters with low COI's that go back 10 or more generations.  All those things are more likely in inbred litters, but that's a statistical likelihood.  It tell us nothing about any individual problem in any individual dog or individual litter.

 

 

The link doesnt work. Do I need a computer to access it?

Thank you everyone for your replies! I guess being abca registered I hoped I wouldn't get such a mess of a pup,  but it seems it doesn't matter to the organization if they are inbred.

The pups reactivity has gotten alot better.  He was very reactive at 8 weeks old, which a trainer told me was a red flag. My husband wanted him because he was cute..and a friend was selling him for the breeder. Family members in my area that are related have fear/ aggression issues.. ..and the dogs sharing the same sire as a father seem to have pidgeon toed legs in the back where they walk kinda weird.

My girl came from a rep breeder, and has no repeats in her family line. She is related by a couple common ancestors, and both have some barnes border collie lineage from texas.

Anyone ever tried this? Opinions? I'm looking into a trainer that uses T-Touch with training dogs. I sought a trainer to help with my girl jumping up on strangers out of excitement.