sandysfarm

I'm with MossyOak. Doesn't matter what your pup was doing, that's not the correction. If the guy's damaged your "property" you have recourse. The way I'd treat it is, my dog coughed and gasped, you did him damage, period... and all hell would break loose. Vet check first, get notes from the vet just as to what he physically finds, then call the owner - and have a clear idea what you want to happen. In exactly your shoes as you described it, I'd want to go right back into the very next class, I'd want the guy to call for a minute of quiet and, recalling to those there what he did, apologise to you for manhandling your dog while he fully acknowledged that his was the wrong and angry way to correct any behaviour. Try imagining it was your kid if you need to, (because it sort of is). THEN I'd walk out and never come back. And since he admitted what he did publicly, I would make social media an option for myself - there's no libel involved now. Then when I got home, I'd make a voodoo doll of him and stick its eyeball in with a pin. Lol

I hope she didn't let the door hit her on the way out.

Is the cat lady a poster? I'm gonna go look, because I bred Persians for a while years ago and lord, those people would eat you alive without batting an eye. Lol I do sympathize with aria the border collie's post though, this board is extremely unified in its position and unconcerned with repetition to an extreme. Not saying that's bad, just stating a fact. I actually respect that and all the time it takes people like GentleLake to explain, explain, explain, - without being insulting. In a world where standards are constantly being torn down or dumbed down in favour of common opinion it's a huge relief to hear defenders say "no, uh uh, wrong, it's NOT this way, it's that way, no budging".

I'm an evaluator for one of the big Canadian organisations. We evaluate first for adult work and then if the dog has worked entirely satisfactorily weekly for at least one year, we will re-evaluate for child therapy work, separate, longer test involving running, squealing, food-clutching kiddies. Up here it's not a thing, this training to be a therapy dog. That's because the premise is that the best dog to use is one who comes to the stressors naturally - less to wonder about as time goes on. So we do them raw, as it were and I look for comfort amongst stress, ability to recover from a scare, cowering, fear, aversion, forwardness, curiosity, sniffing, cheeriness, owner bond, dog-dog interaction on leash during unexpected encounters. These are either inherent or they're not - you want inherent because that's a safer animal. I have about a 50% decline rate. At least half of that is handler incompetence. By me, a couple of good basic puppy, then young adult classes, is more than enough to give me a good team. (Although some of those owners could go back to relearn leash and dog sense skills, geez).

Patricia, you are an awesome woman.

So, I guess it's wrong to suspect that you posted this because you're looking to better reiterate your annoyance from the first time? It's reading a bit that way from my end. Maybe I'm wrong...

Omg. That never occurred to me. I would be so pissed.

Better ask about everyday cranberry pills since I remember reading that they're a caustic. They won't cure either so they're as a preventative in times of good bladder health.

It's kind of a lot to deal with, right? tight room, strange Xmas tree, persistent dog trying to get on her. The couple of tail wags I saw are high and quick and she looks like she's piloerect in a couple of lights. I'd say there is way too much back pressure. I'd get her out of there and most of all I'd totally correct that dog from treating her like a mouse in a box - it makes MY blood pressure go up just watching it.

Finally!

My BC will work for kisses. I'm not a super touchy owner but she will worm her way into my lap and put the side of her muzzle to my lips and say " kiss, dammit !". It has to do with resource guarding though, -she 's the last dog in, was super abused, is quite bossy. Out of curiosity the other day, bored and waiting in my car, I put a piece of ho hum bread between my lips and indicated it was hers if she wanted it. She considered it for a while, then came up alongside me on the console, lined herself up pointing the same way as I was and pressed her left ear to my right cheek... while she thought. lol. Eventually, she slid her muzzle toward my lips ever so slowly. I closed my eyes, felt the bread move, warm breath and a whisper of soft muzzle.

I have two 5 year old females and I agree with CMP that the girls can be timebombs if you let them. Mine never have a cross word. But there 's so much overly polite and just-slightly-stilted body language between them that you gotta know there 's a mutual pact in place. So I check how it 's doing every chance I can and separate them when I'm out.

As long as they know you're not clueless or a helicoptering nutcase, they usually give in and let clients attend. (But I have to say I've seen clinics that look ok up front and way too grubby in back, so maybe there's more than one reason.). As a trainer, I cringe when somebody says to me "well, I trained it this way because my vet said to"

It's not just CM. Vets' offices have been very slow to adopt to anything other than physical coercion in their day to day dealings with (your) animal. This is because it's faster to have a tech table-place, gather and bear down on a frightened dog who needs a physical exam, times fifteen a day, maybe. In the back, there's often casual pushing and shoving, into cages, into baths, onto tables. If your dog hates going to the vet, does it correlate to the number of times you 've been asked to " just wait, we'll bring him right back to you "? Older, more acquiescent people often have really nervous "vetty" dogs while those who insist that the dog stays handled by them no.matter.what. often have dogs who calmy march in the front doors.

I tether till I know in my soul we're ok on hard flooring. Then I block any access to broadloom or rugs. Even now I still don 't love my dogs being on broadloom; it's usually at my SIL's or MIL's house that I'm forced to deal with it. It's soft and deep and there's miles of it and god knows what it smells like, I don 't, but it mimics grass on their pads....