Kian's Mom

Sue, I found some roll-on for horses and dogs. Will give it a try and see how it works. Thanks

So far they haven't really bothered him yet this year. But they have in the past an know they will get worse as summer goes along. He can stay in the house but he prefers to be out as he goes up to my parents ( who live right behind me) to visit and play with his mom. At night he is in the house.

I have a GSD that is out all day while I'm at work. I have a problem with flies eating the tips of his ears. I've used Vaseline, skin so soft, have even sprayed them with horse fly spray. He then goes out and rolls and rubs his head to get it off. This is not a problem with my Border Collie as she goes to work with me. But they don't seem to bother her even on the weekends, Does anyone have any ideas on what I can try? Thanks

I also wonder where all the colors and patterns came from? I have been able to come up with 32 so far. Ddin't realize there were so many.

I use out for go away from me, around or round for the backside. We are not to the level yet of using backside in competition. A friend of mine used Lalalalala as her cue for backside. We always video each other so we can go back and see what we did right or wrong. It has really helped. CptJack I'm with you on I know what I want to do but that's not always what happens.

Thanks Maxi, and yes I realize the first statement is wrong. I was including tri in my thinking but didn't say that. Would really be interested in hearing more of the old thoughts on why some colors seemed to be better working dogs than others and any other old myths and possible reasoning behind them.

Liz had stated that Winston Cap carried red and Wisp carried dilute. Does anyone know of the foundation bloodline where the other colors came from or who had the greatest impact of the other colors? What are some of the other myths that the shepherds had?

The old pictures I have seen were what looked like B/W Border Collies. Yes I know they are bred for work that's not the issue. If the original Sheppard's preferred the B/W and didn't feel the other colors were good at working sheep ( that's just what I have been told) then where did these colors come from.? I've also been told that there are a few reds and merles that do trial in the upper levels but not very many.

The original Border Collies were black and white. Where did the other colors come from originally? How were they introduced into the Border Collie Lines? Jan

This video is so awesome. Wonder how many hours she had in the training of this. I can't seem to get the video to load. If you want to watch and have FB you can go under Laura Campbell. I had only seen the one but as Sekah mentioned there are 2.

Not sure if this should be here or in General. I have a female that is 3 yrs old a friend has a male that is 6 months. Both have prick ears. Hers are set farther apart on her head than his is. Will his get wider as he matures? Are the ear sets genetic? Didn't notice before but I have him while they are on vacation and when I took a picture of them together you really notice the difference. Thanks Jan

I did tons of recalls as a pup even before she started Agility. This got her to were she would stay while I walked away from her an stayed until I called her to me. I would vary the time of when I turned to face her and called. I also did not stand still. I would move around, clap my hands, jumping jacks, whistle or say words whatever until I used her break If she did break I would just pup her back in place an tell her stay and try again. With Her I can have any distance lead out I want. I do have to watch where I place her as if too far back she will knock bar, if she gets too much speed before that first jump. I have seen plenty of dogs at a trial that will creep forward.

When I did the cockers the new owner still picked out the name. All I had done was fill out the breeder portion ( Sire, Dam,color, date of birth ) that stuff. But they got the papers so much sooner not waiting. Was just wondering why you have to wait so long. With having to wait on papers if you wanted to do any DNA testing you have to have a registration number so that would put that off.

When I got my girl, I had to wait until all the litter was sold and then the breeder sent in the papers. Which by that time I had, had her for over a month or two. A friend is going thru the same thing now. She has had her pup since late Oct and still doesn't have them. This seems to be standard procedure with Border Collies. Can anyone tell me why that is? When I raised AKC Cockers many many moons ago, I registered the litter with sex and color within a few weeks of birth. Then when I sold a pup I already had the papers and just gave them to the new owner. My part was already filled out. They didn't have to wait.

Praise and treats both work for mine. So I give HIGH praise and off and on with the treat. That way she doesn't expect a treat every time she comes back. As a lot of the time I don't have any with me. I also teach leave it. If she doesn't listen then I may walk to her give her a verbal correction or touch her say leave it again, when I have her attention then praise. If she stops part way back you may squat down and call again, clap you hands, smooch to her make coming back to you the greatest thing. Then treat/praise like all get out. Or turn an walk away. If she comes running after you I would tell her good girl but you didn't come the first time so no treat, no petting.Doesn't take them long to figure it out, or at least it didn't mine. I have a tendency to explain things to mine. Like that was a good try but not good enough so if you do it the first time next time you get your reward.

I just got my 3 yr old to actually hold it. LOL. Probably because it's not something that I worked on very often. I started her at 8 wks on getting it ( toys ) if she brought it back mostly praise but some treats. If she didn't bring it back our play quite. I was sitting on the floor with her. So she would drop it in my lap. Then as she got older and I was standing to play with her, She would bring it back and drop it at my feet. That was ok for a while. Then I started telling her hand. If she didn't get it to my hand we didn't play. That didn't take her long to figure out. Playing ball or frizbee if I told her to hold when she brought it back she would press it against my leg and hold with her chin or her paw. Cute but not what I wanted. Then one day when she brought her Frizbee back and I told her hold, she actually did for a second before she spit it out against my leg. A lot of big praise. Every time I got her to hold it a little longer. Now she will come front sit and hold until I ask for it. I had also tried putting it in her mouth and gently holding her mouth closed while telling her hold. My cocker learned that way but not my Border. Haven't really tried to get her to pick up things other than her tug rope, ball and frizbee. If it's something for her to pick up off the floor I tell her get it. Something out of my hand is take it. Don't give up like kids some dogs take longer to figure it out and what works for one may not on another.

I was looking on a Border Collies for sale, Herding,trial,agility site and they were advertising pups from Switzerland listed as Beardie Border Collie. From a working line and registered FCI and ISDS. Looked like a Border Collie with a wired-haired rough coat. Didn't know there was such a dog. Anyone know anything about them. Just curious.

I trial with a great group of ladies. So if one of us does forget something, someone generally has an extra. They usually do the 3 day trials an I only do 2 of those days so they have the crate mats and easy up ( when outside ) already in place. Most of our trials are indoors. I have my chair, soft crate, video camera ( charger) water, blanket, cell phone and money. Food and cloths are left in motel. I have a carry on bag that I keep in my car that has toys, treats, poo bags, extra leashes, collars, nail clippers, brush and comb, scissors, ink pen and small bowls. There may be some gauze pads and an ace bandage in there also. I will also fix a cooler with drinks ( for me ) and cheese and water ( for Ki ). Also a snack bag for us adults.

We also play hide and seek but I hide one of her toys. I also make her stay where she can't see me and hide it in another room. She has gotten really good at this. Even started doing it at work today since it's raining. If she has trouble finding it I will tell good when she is close to it but I don't show her where it's at.

Maxi, I always they were separate also, but anytime you hear about the ears changing their set position it is also associated with teething. I was just curious of how the two were associated. Interesting to hear what peoples thoughts are on it though.

Laurae, Thanks for posting the video. Julie, So the Candy colors would have come in where?

If this needs to be moved then please do so, but since it is talking about Merles and working ability I have a question. If the original working Border Collies were bl/wh or bl/wh tri then where did these other colors come from?

Gideon's Girl, Thank you for explaining this. My girl went to prick at about 12 wks and never changed. Both of her parents had down ears. Just never know what your going to end up with.

I have went back into a lot of old post on ear set. I have found things on setting ears and whether it is hereditary or not. All of them talk about when the pup is teething that the ears go crazy. Why is this . What is it about the teething that affects the ear set to change so much? If I missed that post I'm sorry. Thanks

Congratulations to Mark and Renee and your great dogs. Awesome job.