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I just read this on the workingsheepdog list: 'And some more good news: The International Sheep Dog Society (ISDS) and the American Border Collie Association (ABCA) are pleased to announce a joint agreement whereby the ISDS will recognise the pedigree of an ABCA recorded sire and/or dam as valid for the registration of pups in the ISDS Stud Book according to ISDS Rules.'

Pretty much for me its a 50 - 50 shot if I'm using voice comands, it seems to drop to 1 in 4 if I'm using a whistle...

Down here where its warm I know of one 'AKC' dog that has won open, he's dual registered though, so what's your point? Dave

Anyone have results from Okechobee or C-54?

Well, lets see, symantics 101. To me, presence describes the effect the dog has on the stock, where power describes the dogs ability to do work (sorry, the physicist came out). In answer to your question about presence and no power, I think my male qualifies. Everytime he steps thru the gate the sheep seem to say "I'm out'a here!" and scatter, he doesn't have to be anywhere near them. As you can imagine, getting any work done with him is nigh on impossible. My female on the otherhand is just about the opposite. When she comes thru the gate, all the sheep look at her, as she gets closer they flock together, wherever she directs, the sheep go. Needless to say, most of the work gets done by Bet. I'd say you can have pressence without power, but not power without presence. Dave