Smalahundur

Keto is an unhealthy diet for humans. Also, dietary requirements for humans are obviously very different than for dogs so this " I believe it is good for me so must also be good for my dog (parrot, rabbit, cat, iguana et etc) is just silly. In general there is a lot of nonsense circulating in diet discussions on the net, both in the human and dog world. For instance is this some interesting info as regards to carbs in dog diets: https://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2018/07/are-you-killing-your-dog-with-grain-free.html

I see your point. Of course it is a rather gray area with dogs in training. I would regard a "recall of sheep", me calling the dog to me and walking away from the sheep together without using a leash. Someting I accomplished with my current trainee, Seimur in a weirdly early stage (not my brilliance btw, he is very biddable). Stopping a dog with a good down, and walking to him with his focus squarely on the sheep the whole time, even though he doesn't break the down to go to balance does not count as a "recall" in my book .

"If you not recall off sheep you have no down"? I don't see the causality you seem to imply. I have trained dogs trough a phase in which they had a reasonable "down", but at the same time crappy "recall off sheep". For Derek's method a solid down should suffice shouldn't it?

Obviously not many newcomers bother to read the captions of the forums. Not that it matters a lot as this part of the forum is in deep sleep as it is. Anyway this forum section is meant for questions about stockwork only. You better repost in the general border collie discussion section. You will get more response there. And welcome to the forums btw.

I see you already realized Only moderators can delete posts, I wouldn' t worry about it.

Hello, just a headsup, this part of the forum is meant for stockwork training. You might want to repost in the general bc discussion subforum. You will probably get more views/responses there. Welcome to the forum btw.

But you don't watch those big hats while they are starting their young dogs. You watch them performing a winning run at a top trial with an experienced open dog. The best ones might not even use a stop command, clearing the course in one flow. But does that mean you shouldn't teach your dog a lie down? I agree that the goal is to get the dog get out on command, but I think, in the beginning, you need stepping in, gestures etc, to teach the dog the meaning of your commands. Then as soon as possible you fade them out. I also agree there seems to be a bit much gesturing going on in Luana's vids, so the question is what stage of training the dog is in, does it really need those extra pointers?

There is a very simple explanation for that Maja; I completely forgot to put it there... Here it is: http://odnt-bittersweetfarm.blogspot.com

On one sidedness, I ran across some advice that went a bit against the more classic approach of working the weak side more than the strong side. It made sense to me and used it on my current dog in training, who was not that terribly one sided, but had an obvious strong and weak side. Worked fine for us. Here is the link, click on the articles "Help me! I can't do that... yet!"(part1), and "I can do that (part2). I found them helpful.

Hi Shaun welcome to the boards. Sadly stockwork discussion has been on the decline here last couple of years, so for lack of better handlers I'll give it a shot, I am going to assume your dog is bred from working dog stock, and therefor with the right kind of instincts in place. But at the moment he doesn't work, and obviously his current behavior has to stop. He is young, excitable, loves to chase, and has got some woolly victims to play with... I am also going to assume you are familiar with the basics of stockwork training. So how to fix this? I think a good place to start would be the "shark cage" method. Sounds more terrifying than it is. You put the sheep in a smallish round pen ( maybe 6 meter across or so) with the dog on the outside of the pen. You can be in the pen with the sheep. Now you can get the dog to head, and circle the sheep without being able to get at them. This should waken the heading instincts in your dog and the basics of flanking, downing on the balance point under controlled circumstances. That way you should be able to get a handle on your dog, and get his excitement down because he starts to realize how it works, and what is expected of him. You should ideally be able to move on to the open ( or a bigger round pen where the dog can be in with the sheep) pretty quickly. Because you have to get your dog to go around the sheep instead of through, and you have to get control asap. The longer your dog can get way with the behavior you describe the more difficult changing that is going to be. Couple of other factors that might play a role, are your sheep dogged? Especially very flighty sheep would contribute to your problem, with your green dog ( and handler ) There is also the possibility your dog is not mature enough for training , though at a year old he should, some dogs are later to "grow up". Putting him up for a while might help in that case. A bit more info about the dog, sheep, and your training facilities would help. Your description of what the dog actually does is rather short. Good luck with the training!

I think it looks fine like this. Functional.

Welcome. Two questions, do you work stock with them? And number two, just curious, , "g'day", that means you're from Australia?

That goes for anyone who disagrees with me, on any subject matter.... Edit, except for my wife of course, my wife is ALWAYS right. I am not stupid...

That is very sad news. My condolences to eneryone near her.

Weird. Why on earth would someone want to (try to) work livestock with a doberman...

I can't really get agitated by the term "herding" in itself. I've said it before in these kind of discussions, if the term is good enough for the late Vergill S. Holland, it is good enough for me ( but, in discussions here I take care to use "stockwork" instead, apart from the sensitivities it at least gives the impression you are in the know....). People also got all huffy about referring to bordercollies as "borders" (germans do this routinely btw). I found that especially ironic, as americans in my experience are the absolute kings of acronyms...

Haha, tell me about it! That "you're not the boss of me" look you get just before they blow you off! No real advice but the obvious, not allowing those blow offs to become habit.So yeah, paitience, back on the lead and not calling him when you know there is a good chance of being ignored.

I second this. My wife was never a fan of the breed, but ever since we started keeping sheep, and the bc bug bit me, we have had several. She loved most of them. Her explanation; " yes, but yours aren't typical bordercollies!"...

I think I hear Luana say herself to the person off camera that she'd like to go outside in the open. And I agree with that and the people above, that would be a good idea. You clearly have more than enough control over your dog to do that.

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My regret is that there are people who believe that show bordercollies (aka barbie collies) actually belong to the bordercollie breed. No offense intended.

Okay, I will sound like cpt. Obvious here, but the other thing we can do is allow the gene pool to be open.In that light I think ROM should be less prohibative, at least here it is quite expensive. Here in Iceland the national stockdog organisation became part of the ISDS a few years ago, and a lot of dogs have been ROMed since then. But the negative effect is that breeders seem to prefer dogs with ISDS reg (because the the pups have that registration, and the perceived stamp of quality) . Making the breeding pool smaller for no good reason. I prefer diversity, and a factor in my selecting a dog (for work I don't breed) is as little inbreeding in its pedigree as possible.

Thanks for hat Mark. It was a question I have been asking myself; whether it was likely that an affected dog could have dangerous reactions to medication ingested this. I always found it hard to believe, but didn't have the numbers. Looks like it is pretty unlikely.

Sure, it is possible to look at any action from the guy in a negative light. If you really want to, and made up your mind to the point that nothing in the world can make you change it. But the discussion starts to bore me, it was about Katz, and for no good reason it turned to CM bashing. So I am out, this sort of stuff was not why I joined the forum years ago (a great source for stockwork discussions and info then). The internet is full of pet people with strong opinions, I don't really care. A pity that that crowd has taken over here, and the majority of the interesting handlers moved away. Though I can't claim to be that interesting, I might better follow them (to bloody facebook I suppose, oh well).

And I think you have to have a lot of respect for CM for putting those scenes out there. This was not footage taken by bystanders, and could easily have lend in the editing bin. It didn't. That is showing character!