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  1. I am awaiting news as anxiously as you are. When I have some, you can be sure I will post it.
  2. That's the spirit! Just be prepared for criticism if it doesn't turn out exactly to everyone's liking.
  3. What Mark writes makes total sense. My contact at Genoscoper recommends waiting until the EAOD test is available before ordering already available tests. I take this to mean that there will either be a separate charge or more paperwork to go through to get the deafness test after you've already gotten the test package on a particular dog. I also take it to confirm that they really do intend to have the EAOD test on the market within a month or so, which is good.
  4. I think the answer is yes, but I will check with them to make sure.
  5. Genoscoper is a testing lab that is very focused on research. For that reason, when you request a DNA test from them, your dog will be tested not just for the known genetic disorders in its breed, but for ALL genetic disorders found in dog breeds generally. Using this methodology, Genoscoper has found a number of disorders previously unknown in a particular breed to actually be present in the genetic material of a tested dog of that breed. This should come as no surprise, since we all know that there are recessive genetic mutations in all individuals, even though they may not be known to exist because they are rare enough that two parents carrying them have so far never met up to produce offspring. It's good to conduct this kind of wide research, even though the more mutations that are uncovered this way, the more complicated and difficult it is to formulate breeding advice, and the more necessary it is to have a sound breeding strategy rather than just never breeding a dog who tests positive for a defective mutation. You can find more specific information about Genoscoper's testing for border collies here. Note that although there is no mention of testing for MDR1 under disorders, that is in fact one of the mutations tested for. It is listed under "Drug Response" rather than "Disorders." Also, you'll see that EAOD is not there yet. Genoscoper's normal charge for all this testing is about $110. However, because they have an agreement with OptiGen requiring them to pay a licensing fee to OptiGen when they administer the CEA test, the basic charge goes up to approx $130 for the whole package when the CEA test is included. In the US, the testing is provided by Wisdom Health, with which Genoscoper is now affiliated. Further information here. Their charge for the package of all tests is $130, so I think it's safe to conclude that will end up being the price. I should put in a disclaimer that this information is to the best of my understanding, and I may be off on some details. It's also true that once the research findings are published, other testing labs may begin offering the EAOD test. Speaking only for myself, I like the Genoscoper approach, because it can capture so much information, leading to more research to better understand the big picture in canine genetics.
  6. The latest word from the Discovery Manager at Genoscoper Laboratories (mydogdna.com), the company our researchers are working with, is that they regret the delay and will do everything in their power to have the test available as close to Mid-May as possible. Note: I originally posted the full email I received from Genoscoper, but have removed that because of confidentiality strictures. If you copied that email, please don't disseminate it. The key portion is what's written here.
  7. I've requested the latest information and I will post it as soon as I have it. I'm waiting not so patiently myself.
  8. My youngest dog is proof that a testicle can be retained for six months and still drop normally at that point. It's rare but it happens. At 8 weeks I wouldn't be concerned, unless there's a history of retained testicles in his line. It might never drop, but it probably will. If it doesn't, though, he will need surgery to remove it.
  9. Bingo! It WAS a result of the last update, but finally we tumbled to it and got it fixed.
  10. I've just received word that the DNA test for EAOD will not be available this month, as hoped. The new estimated availability date is March/April. I'm guessing that means April. I've learned over the years that it's not uncommon for it to take longer than first anticipated to bring a new test to functional availability to the general public. I know we are all disappointed to have to wait a few more months to test our dogs, but the delay is not due to any problems with the test itself, only to getting it reliably implemented.
  11. This thread has been moved to General Border Collie Discussion.
  12. Lenie and jami74, It sounds to me as if you have good concerns, and are addressing them well. One thing I haven't seen addressed -- possibly because it sounds like a criticism although it absolutely isn't -- is the fact that both of you have been frustrated because you want your dog to look good (naturally!) but s/he isn't looking good in front of people. People are thinking your dog is bad, when you know that s/he is not. This is a universal feeling among relatively new dog owners -- so natural that it would be strange if you did NOT feel it. But don't overlook the fact that these are sensitive dogs, and they are well aware that you are unhappy and frustrated, and a normal reaction to that is for the dog to feel an increased sense that things are "not right," which in turn contributes to some degree of desperation and uncontrolled behavior. I feel silly saying, "Don't feel that way. Don't worry about what others are thinking," because that's probably advice that hardly anyone could follow. You feel what you feel. But just think about the parallel between your not being able to ignore your concern about others disapproving of your dog, and your dog's not being able to ignore your your frustration with him/her (as well as the other strange things surrounding him/her). So what I would just say is try your best to eliminate that factor. Try your best to forget that others are watching you and may be judging you. Try to make it be an interaction between you and your dog where you're trying to help him/her understand what behavior you're asking for, without regard to whether s/he knows it at home, or s/he's just anxious, or s/he's not alpha, or whatever. Try to make yourself the best you can be for your dog. This may not be advice you need right now, since both of you are not going to be attending classes at present (and I'd say that's good). But maybe it's something to keep in mind for the future.
  13. This forum is for questions about training stockdogs. I'm moving your post to the General Border Collie Discussion forum, where I think you'll get more responses.
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