Barbie dog definition
Posted 28 January 2006 - 07:44 AM
What defines a "barbie" collie from other BCs?
The term is used with frequency on these boards and I am not sure that all who view the various threads have a clear understanding of what is meant by the use of the term "barbie" in reference to Border Collies.
Posted 28 January 2006 - 09:11 AM
Posted 28 January 2006 - 09:45 AM
Posted 28 January 2006 - 09:52 AM
But a dog that does work plus a dog that doesn't, I think it is still counted as a real Border Collie. But of course, that is just IMO.
Posted 28 January 2006 - 10:16 AM
Real working BC's I think of as real BC's. The rest are just your average Border Collie to me.
Oh, and then there are the mutts!
Posted 28 January 2006 - 10:28 AM
The conformation dogs are the original Barbie-- one made for looks with no other qualities expressed.
All the others are the "new" Barbies- dressed up like Nurses ,Drs and Lawyers to come off as more "socially correct" .
Posted 28 January 2006 - 10:40 AM
Posted 28 January 2006 - 11:02 AM
Posted 28 January 2006 - 11:12 AM
I'd say that there are thousands of purebred BC's in shelters and rescues, and others whose owners want to get rid of them.
There are a ton of mixes too.
Would they be more satisfied with a Barbie? I suppose it depends on what they are looking for in a BC. If they think the ideal BC looks a certain way then yeah, probably. But BC's bred for anything other than herding ability tend to lose all of the traits that endear us to them so much.
If that same person had a well bred BC then I think they would be more satisfied and upset that they had been missing out for so long.
Just about any old dog can do what you described, not just a BC.
Posted 28 January 2006 - 11:25 AM
Posted 28 January 2006 - 11:46 AM
How many of you with purebred BCs are actually working them on stock?
The issue of my intial question was not to debate the question of to breed or not to breed.
It was asked to try to clarify the definition of the term "barbie" with regards to the Border Collie.
seems to me that the breeding is going to happen for basically 4 different reasons regardless,
1; responsibly for good working dogs
2; For show/conformation
3; for profit
Posted 28 January 2006 - 12:29 PM
What some of my friend are trying to do here in Italy, is to get "Brain's Beauty" BC, not just brain before beauty. I think is not so bad. They want working dogs but also good looking. We don't have so many shepherds that want a border collie to work.. so we have to find a compromise sometimes.
But I like this name for just show border collie.. so perfect, so untrue.. ahahahaha
Posted 28 January 2006 - 12:38 PM
I don't really understand this. What is considered "good looking"? Or do you mean conformation dogs who can work?
Originally posted by Marty&Abigail:
They want working dogs but also good looking.
I ask because people here post lots of pictures (but not enough) of their dogs actually working, and they all look different, and they all are gorgeous. Different colors, coats, ear sets, sizes, shapes...
Posted 28 January 2006 - 12:39 PM
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Posted 28 January 2006 - 12:45 PM
IronHorse: I'd say number 1 are border collies, 2 is the definition of barbie collie, 3 is most likely barbie collie (because to get the most money they want "purebred, pretty" dogs), and 4 are generally mutts!
Would someone who wanted a companion dog most likely be more satisified with a barbie? Probably. But then the question is - why would they want a border collie if it's not a border collie? There are many other breeds and mutts that fulfil the companion dog requirements. I love border collies. I think they're an amazing breed. But when it was time to get a dog, did I get one? No. I know my lifestyle is not appropriate for a dog like that. I got a pound mutt.
Posted 28 January 2006 - 12:49 PM
Why? Working bred border collies do all these things - well. Barbies are not border collies. If you want something that isn't a border collie, why not get another type of dog (mixed or purebred) that meets your needs?
So lets say someone is interested in a Border Collie as a pet/companion dog,,perhaps looking for a dog to play frisbie,fetch or whatever,would you say that they would be more satisfied with a "barbie"?
Sorry, this question just seems bizarre to me. It seems based on flawed assumptions and a little leading. . .
Posted 28 January 2006 - 01:02 PM
Barbie Collies(TM C.C.)
Iron Horse, "working bred" Border collies are not just bred to be working machines. What makes them superior partners for the livestock handler also makes them great at lots of other stuff. Border collies are a fragile balance of reactiveness and impulse control, drive and biddability, work ethic and loyalty, intensity and patience, athletic prowess and structural balance. Successful representatives of this ideal are nice to live with (assuming you are ready to meet their need for exercise and mental stimulation) and are capable of just about anything.
The only way to maintain that balance from generation to generation is to work your breeding stock HARD, on stock. I'm really convinced that ANYONE who is monkeying around with that mix and focusing on non-workers in their breeding programs, are playing with fire.
The problem comes when there's no line between true working breeders, hobby trial/farm breeders, Sport Collie breeders, BYBs, and Barbies. It IS a problem that there's no real place you can say, breeders who do XYZ are TRULY committed to the working heritage of the breed and all the others aren't. The issue of dual registration is probably a good place to start, but I bet we can think of other characteristics that would screen out all but the breeders that, say, share the objectives of the US Border Collie Club (which maintains this forum) http://www.bordercol...g/objectiv.html
Speaking of which, if you are interested in actively supporting the working Border collie (and supporting this forum by the way!), consider membership in the US Border Collie Club http://www.bordercollie.org/usapp.html
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Posted 28 January 2006 - 01:20 PM
If someone wants to have black and white show dogs, that's fine with me, but don't try to to say its a Border Collie.
Posted 28 January 2006 - 01:56 PM
I don't see how you can make this statement.
Barbies are not border collies. If you want something that isn't a border collie, why not get another type of dog (mixed or purebred) that meets your needs?
If the dog is registered properly then it is in fact a Border Collie even though it might be concidered a "barbie" by some.
I personally would define a "barbie" Border Collie as those that are breed specifically for show/conformation and alot that are breed for profit.
But from responses appearing on this thread the "barbie" concept is abit muddled from individual to individual.
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