[quote]Originally posted by IronHorse:
Barbies are not border collies. If you want something that isn't a border collie, why not get another type of dog (mixed or purebred) that meets your needs?
[/quote]I don't see how you can make this statement.
If the dog is registered properly then it is in fact a Border Collie even though it might be concidered a "barbie" by some.
I personally would define a "barbie" Border Collie as those that are breed specifically for show/conformation and alot that are breed for profit.
But from responses appearing on this thread the "barbie" concept is abit muddled from individual to individual. [/QB][/QUOTE]IronHorse,
Have you read the breed standard for the KC border collie (aka Barbie collie)? It just kills me that they say the only correct ears are tipped ears, though they can tip forward or to the side (though I understand that a dog with ears tipped to the side will have a harder time earning a CH than those with "Lassie tipped" ears). It's that sort of thing that truly defines a barbie collie. People who have real working border collies don't reject a dog simply because its ears don't meet a preconceived standard. Hell, as long as the dog can hear and take commands at a distance, who cares what the ears look like (beyond personal preference, that is, you can like a look without deciding that *only* dogs with that look are acceptable).
I think Kim's statement is dead on. If you want a dog that looks and acts like a golden retriever, why not get a golden retriever? Oh yeah, they are *golden* not black and white. There are certain characteristics inherent to a good working bred dog--intensity, intelligence, biddability, independence, a great work ethic. That's what makes a real border collie. If you don't want a dog like that but prefer a more docile, less intense sort of creature, then why not choose a breed that has those characteristics? Why take a good working dog and dumb it down into docile pet status?
So I have no confusion on what a barbie collie is. It's a dog bred for conformation from conformation stock. It's a dog whose "looks" are more important than anything else it does, right down to that 10:9 length to height ratio, tipped ears (even if they have to be glued that was as a pup), and eyes that are just so.
A real working border collie is one that really works to a reasonable standard, that standard being the open trial (USBCHA) or serious farm work.
Dogs bred for other activities like agility and flyball are what I consider sport collies.
Dogs bred strictly as pets/companions are likely backyard bred dogs.
As for my dogs, 5 of the 6 work stock or have worked stock and are retired. The 6th dog is working bred, but also inbred severely and has lots of issues. He actually has some very natural stock working talents, but he doesn't see the need for a human to be involved.
Barbie = plastic cookie cutter features created with a structure that has no real basis in reality.