That time of the month
Posted 20 October 2004 - 02:51 PM
Now I'm off to enjoy this October day here in SE Alaska.
Stay with these boards Madison's Mom, you'll learn a lot and hopefully will not breed your BC ( unfortunately I believe you have already made up your mind).
Posted 20 October 2004 - 02:56 PM
Posted 20 October 2004 - 02:58 PM
You say this, yet MANY of us do not have farms for our dogs...but we try to find farms for our dogs. I am currently in the process of trying to find a trainer on a regular basis...which for me will be about 2 times a month or so. I will have to drive over an hour, probably, to find someone. I don't have an SUV...I have a small Toyota Corolla.
Originally posted by Madison's Mommy:
Btw, we do not own an SUV so we can't hop in it and drive upstate. I think Jason's point was simply that on LI, people that own border collies generally do not live on big farms, and border collie owners on this board have to understand that- it is frankly a little annoying that those that are lucky enough to have places for their dog to work somehow look down on us because we do not, and seem to consider us second class citizens (in the world of border collie owners).
If you wanted to, you too could find someone to train you and Madison in herding. I don't believe in excuses...you can do anything that you set your mind to or find anything you set your mind to.
Thank you for answering my question on what your dog's parents are prized in. I think that you will find that herding "prizes" are all anyone should base their breeding off of. The history of the dogs is based in herding and not conformation. I think if you did enough reading into the "standards" that conformation encourage, it is just ridicluous (spelling?). Like Brookcove has a 16 inch BC that is much smaller than your typical BC...does it mean that she can't herd because she probably wouldn't meet the AKC standards? But if you talk to an AKC conformation person...like a Sheltie woman I asked...she will tell you that height standards, etc are set up so that you now which dog can do the standard of herding...hog wash!!!! How many Shelties do you know of that still herd sheep...I have seen plenty in conformation but none in herding.
I just implore you to READ, READ, READ!!!! I still have a ton to learn but I have learned a great deal from these boards, these people that work farms, and love the Border Collie. I think that you too will speak out against breeding Border Collies for any other reason than the "right" reason if you learn more about the breed itself. The "right" reason being to improve the working dog.
I truly think that my dog is the best; however, I know that I would never get a carbon copy so I would never try to. I think you will be disappointed. I would definitely suggest going back to the same lines you got your current dog from.
Good luck in your decision making, I trust you will come to the right conclusion.
Posted 20 October 2004 - 03:26 PM
I just immediately fall in love with just about every border collie I meet. I've been known to stop my car, get out and go ask somebody walking their bc what it's name is and can I pet him/her!
They are all very, very special dogs. You might get an argument from some of us, well, me for one, as to which dog is the best. Samantha, of course! I'm surprised you hadn't heard.
What we all agree on is that border collies are a unique breed, that any other breed is just a dog, and that we all think they are really the only dog to have!
I'm glad you're spaying Madison and doing the right thing by her and by the breed.
Ruth n the Border Trio
Posted 20 October 2004 - 03:29 PM
Good! There are no shortage of border collies in rescue, and definitely no shortage of can't-herd-anything-from-pet-or-other-stock border collies in rescue either. This is the best thing for Madison, and also the best thing for the breed.
Originally posted by Madison's Mommy:
Yes, Piper and FlyAway2Me, I think I have made up my mind. For Madison's health and the health of any future puppies, I am going to make an appointment tomorrow to have her neutered as soon as possible.
TDBCR - "Where every dog is a Star"
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Posted 20 October 2004 - 05:14 PM
If your father gets a rescue he won't regret it! Thanks for hanging with us and keeping an open mind!
I do know there's a very nice handler up there who teaches folks with all kinds of dogs, who are interested in learning to work sheep (or ducks). Yes, if you get that 100 acre farm in PEI, you'll probably find Madison comes a bit short in working ability, but you needn't let that discourage you from trying it out.
And of course, agility will be ever so much fun when you're not worrying about heat cycles (they ALWAYS come at the worst times) and other reproductive issues. Jen is already starting to forgive me, I think. She's been sleeping on my bed (in a crate so she doesn't jump down) and I keep telling her how much fun she's going to have now that she doesn't have to be locked up half the year.
Cord, Ted, Gus, Sam - plus Maggie, Zhi, Lynn, Jetta, Lu, Min, and Tully
Posted 20 October 2004 - 05:16 PM
I had a crappy day at work, my Yuki being sick and my co-worker started talking about breeding his mutt to another mutt to 'start a new breed'. I almost got in an argument. Your last post made my day. It proves how much you really love your dog.
Posted 20 October 2004 - 06:01 PM
I'm so happy for you that you've come to this very difficult decision. Madison will live a longer, healthier life as a result, and your relationship with her will not be interrupted or sidetracked by the whole brood-o-puppies thing, which can be QUITE a distraction.
Speaking of distractions, my dogs are all hungry from racing wildly over hill and dale in the "balmy" October sun, so I'd better go feed...
Besides, I have to go make some wine now.
Posted 20 October 2004 - 09:54 PM
Posted 21 October 2004 - 01:03 AM
As for training, we travel once or twice a month, three hours each way. I have no sheep (I have to admit we have cattle and can't afford sheep fencing (by we are trying to figure out how). We train on sheep and then work on cattle at home.
We have two purebred Border Collies. One, purchased from a working lines, is the better working dog. The other, adopted (she was an impulse buy by a young man without a suitable situation for her) is a light in our lives. Both are neutered, and I have never, ever regretted it.
Bless you for your choice, and for your interest in rescue. Folks who rescue and adopt rescue dogs are true heroes.
Celt, Megan, and Dan
"When the chips are down, watch where you step."
"The happiest people don't necessarily have the best of everything. They just make the best of everything." - author unknown
Posted 21 October 2004 - 03:56 AM
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Working Border Collies Zac, Bill, Zeke, Joe, Spot and Devin
Posted 21 October 2004 - 04:06 AM
Dusty, the foundling, being as good as his DNA will allow
Flint, a sparky pup..
Jazz (my handsome boy - April 1999-April 2010)
Zachary, my little ironman (July 1994-April 2012)
Brandy (a good dog - 1983-1999)
He is my other eyes that can see above the clouds; my other ears that hear above the winds
Posted 21 October 2004 - 09:19 AM
I am tearing up as I read this. Many who read this board or are just coming to it are still on a learning curve. Bless you for having the courage and the will to progress so quickly on it.
Originally posted by Madison's Mommy:
I have already told my parents (who were hoping for one of Madison's puppies) to go to the rescue farm up north of Binghamton, NY and to rescue a BC. Madison is still the best dog in the world (sorry Piper), and that is why I want her to live a long healthy life.
I think of my Kit who is one of the most loving companions I've ever had the good fortune to know, and who was tossed away into shelters twice in her young life before she adopted me, and I commend you for having the compassion to do the right thing by your own beloved dog and for the breed.
Posted 21 October 2004 - 03:58 PM
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