MINI Border Collies
Posted 23 March 2006 - 10:18 AM
I read that a person is breeding for MINI Border Collies...and that NASDS is going to register them. (possibly as Minis)
Has anyone heard of this. This person is very adament about her Mini's being registered in NASDS and maybe being recognized as Minis
Posted 23 March 2006 - 10:34 AM
Lots of people here in flyball and agility think my Border Collies are huge - my bitches are approx. 20.75 inches tall and my males are always around the 21.5 inch mark. They want Border Collies under 18".
I remember when Bi-black Shelties became popular a few years back - I had quite a few people asking me about where they could get a miniature Border Collie from
Posted 23 March 2006 - 10:40 AM
Caroline, I have seen some of the ones at flyball tourney's like you mention. Very sad indeed. They seemed to be on such short stumpy little legs...
Diane, I wouldn't be surprised. It may even be something like the "teacup" yorkies and poodles. There actually is no such thing, just minis being bred to sub-standard and dangerously small sizes. Its all very sad, and BC politics aside so many of the other breeds of mini's and teacups have just unbelievable health problems.
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 10:55 AM
Posted 23 March 2006 - 12:37 PM
I'll take this with a grain of salt until I hear words from the organization themselves.
There are enough reasons to doubt and one of these reasons might be to discredit NASDS as a working registry. All speculation and I have no proof, but it's a thought.
It's not that I doubt these "breeds" are created. This sort of thing has been going on for years, but I usually associate the creation of these things with profiteers and now to satisfy the vanity of dog sport freaks---a seedy practice, in my opinion.
What I do question, is the registration of these dogs. I can only hope that what Diane read about is wishful thinking on someone's part---wishful, but misguided.
If NASDS comes forth and says it's true, it will be yet another sad day for the working border collie----when these bastardized versions of a breed are used to fill a registry.
Based solely on what is presented here, this practice would make NASDS no better than the Continental Kennel Club, the World Wide Kennel Club, or any other of these registries that were created to sop up the mess of backyard breeders and puppymills in an effort to lend legitimacy to designer mutts.
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 05:20 PM
>>I breed Mini BC's. There is such a thing.......<<<<<
>>>>> They are however selectively bred to be a lot smaller than the AVERAGE. My dogs are sold to working homes, furthermore they are in the process of being Reg. through foundation stock Reg. which is, if you do your homework, the original home of all Registries.<<<<<<
Posted 23 March 2006 - 05:29 PM
So unless this woman knows something I don't, she won't be getting that registration from NASDS any time soon. - kinda puts a hole in her story doesn't it?
PS Laura, that is a cute Papillion!
Posted 24 March 2006 - 04:09 AM
Posted 24 March 2006 - 08:00 AM
Jennifer - do you know how recent this was? A friend of mine is planning a litter early next year, and she usually registers with NASDS as well as CBCA. The last time she registered pups with NASDS was in early 2004.
Posted 24 March 2006 - 10:12 AM
Posted 24 March 2006 - 10:36 AM
Posted 24 March 2006 - 10:37 AM
Isn't there also a registry in the States call the National Stockdog Registry or something like that where you can register any kind of stock dog?
Originally posted by toney:
"Foundation STock registry"- could be a reference to the old ARF- Animal Registry Foundation - that operated in the mid- 70's-80's, the guy who started it died but I heard a few years ago that his son or some relative started it back. I had heard of the ARF registering stockdogs long before I had ever heard of the NASDS or AIBC.
Posted 24 March 2006 - 10:40 AM
>>>Yes they are pure bred dogs. They mature at 16 inches or slightly smaller. They will be a high drive litter to go to working homes. They
will be $750. I have a list of people already, but I am not taking deposits until the ultrasound. She is due May 21st.
I did not post her email/name but if you want it, email me offline"<<<<<<
BCR rescue of PNW has had several Mini Border Colies in rescue......we don't know if theya re from her but.......
Posted 24 March 2006 - 11:26 AM
When she says "working homes," does she mean sport homes?
Sheltie people cannot even guarantee that their dogs will mature below 16", and they have been doing the small dog thing for a long time. With Border Collies so variable in size, I don't see how anyone can possibly guarantee that their dogs will remain small.
Color me disgusted.
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Posted 24 March 2006 - 11:56 AM
Posted 24 March 2006 - 12:31 PM
Posted 24 March 2006 - 04:32 PM
Start from the bottom and read up. Apparently she answered the second post privately to my friend who said that Border Collies should be bred for work. That person she replied to then sent me part of the email (above) that she bred for MINI BORDER COLLIES dogs. Then her is her reply to the posts on craiglist.
What is very interestiong is that on craigslist she claims she does not bred Mini but in private emails she states "I breed Mini BC's. There is such a thing......."
Selling them for $750 based on their size too....
Posted 24 March 2006 - 07:20 PM
Posted 24 March 2006 - 10:05 PM
I also recall seeing a docked Papillon on a rescue list a while back. It was nearly solid black tri, while Papillons are supposed to have little body color (they can have patches, but are supposed to be mainly white). I wondered if the docked Pap was intended to be a "Toy Aussie."
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