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[SoloRiver]

GORGEOUS photos and I just love Lone's little bearded face. She's a keeper all right. Welcome to the Boards!

[Aussiedawgs]

Hello,

my name is Christine and i am from Germany.

Since november last year i own a new border collie (beside my two older ones Nelly 7, and Lucy 5)

Her name is Lone. Her father is Jim (by Serge van der Zweep) and her mother ist Kyp.

Kyp has got Turnbull Blue in her pedigree.

Since 2 month now, Little-Lone begins to develop a very special outlook.
Greetings after so many years from Turnbull Blue : A beard grows in her face.

I began to search in the internet for some relatives of Lone - and lucky-me, i found this board with
so many pictures.

Although Lones development is not yet ready, i will show you some pictures of her :



And here are some more :

Lone and friends

Lots of greetings from Germany

Christine
and her unbelievable charming dogs

What a neat looking dog she is! Very striking!

I wonder - did Beardies and BC's start out as varients of the same type long ago?

I have heard of furry faces on Aussies but they have variety of breeds in their genetic make up so that is not surprising.

[juliepoudrier]

I love Lone's little bearded face. Lucky you for Turnbull's Blue's genetics reappearing after all this time!

I hope you'll stay with us here. It's always nice to have members from other parts of the world.

J.

[bcnewe2]

Greetings after so many years from Turnbull Blue : A beard grows in her face.

Such a cool suprise and a neat way of saying it!

Lone is really adorable. Do you know how her parents are on stock? The other dogs you have in the pictures look beautiful too!

I'd have a hard time keeping from tugging on her little wiskers, just so cute!

[Christine R.]

Thank you very much for your warm welcome.

Its very interesting to read here.

I write in a German bordercollie board as well and it is very similar.

Lones parents are still on stock. It was the first litter of her mother Kyp, who
works as a farm dog at the belge/dutch frontier. Originally she is from Wales.

Her father Jim (ISDS No. 277807is one of the most favourite studdogs in Europe
at the moment.
He was winner of the European brace championship last September in Switzerland together
with the bitch Lass, also owned by Serge van der Zweep. Lass, by the way, was winner
of the single championship (and Jim was fifth)

I had several clinics with Serge and felt in love with his Jim... and so last november the
dream to have a daughter from him became true.

Here is a photo of Lone made on the day, when she arrived on our house.
You see, she looked totally different and the Turnbull Blue Genetics decided
to surpise us a few month later



If you like to read more about her father
click here
It´s all written in English.

And here is some more information about me -
unfortunately in German.

Lots of greetings from the other side
of the bc-world

Christine

[ShoresDog]

I hope you'll post often about Lone as she matures. She might be a very special one!

[JaderBug]

Christine, you should submit her pictures to the Border Collie Museum (link is to the coat type page)- I think they're looking for a bearded picture :-)

She is really adorable!!

[Christine R.]

Christine, you should submit her pictures to the Border Collie Museum (link is to the coat type page)- I think they're looking for a bearded picture :-)

She is really adorable!!

Thank you for this interesting link -
í´ll wait a few months and see how Lone matures
and then i will send some photos to the bordercollie-museum.

At the moment nobody believes that she´s a "real" bordercollie.
Most of the people think, she´s a
Giant schnauzer/German shepherd/Terrier crossbread

Lone herself thinks she´s a pig




Christine

[JaderBug]

At the moment nobody believes that she´s a "real" bordercollie.
Most of the people think, she´s a
Giant schnauzer/German shepherd/Terrier crossbread

Yep that sounds about right... if a Border Collie isn't cookie-cutter black and white with a rough coat, there's no way it's purebred! There's several threads on here about what people have been told their purebred Border Collies are mixes of. Very entertaining, you should read through a couple if you get a chance :-)

[NRhodes]

Polly Matzinger has some bearded border collies. I got to see one work at Edgeworth, he was a very nice dog.

[Jeanne Joy]

There is a picture of Mirk (towards the bottom), a Beardie owned by Jackie Goulder in England. He had eye and worked with power and presence. The 1904 picture by Radclyffe Dugmore in Alfred Ollivant’s Bob, Son of Battle was an old type Bearded Collie as well. Not as much coat as the modern Beardies:

http://stockdogsavvy...bearded-collie/

[Jeanne Joy]

More working Bearded Collies:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=VdrBX3cqF6U

http://www.youtube.c...feature=channel

[Eileen Stein]

Polly Matzinger has some bearded border collies. I got to see one work at Edgeworth, he was a very nice dog.

The "beardie" that Polly runs, James ABC#216794, is the son of Nell, the second dog pictured in the OP.

[Jeanne Joy]

Here is a site with history about Beardie-like Working Collies:

http://www.shepherds....._-_part i.htm

[PennyT]

Probably the first beardie (or possibly Welsh Grey) trialed in the United States was owned by Gouverneur Morris Carnochan. Carnochan was a well-heeled New Yorker who had show dogs, most notably fox and Welsh terriers. He was owner and publisher of “Field and Fancy.” In addition to the usual gamut of Gilded Age interests, Carnochan bred Dorest sheep and Kerry cattle. He was one of the first to try breeding ewes to get two lamb crops a year.

His dogs ran in 1905 at a demo on his farm held as part of a county fair. One of them, Laddie, was described a double of Owd Bob. I tend to think he was a beardie from the working description; however, I haven’t read one of a genuine Welsh Grey that I can recall offhand. Laddie kept the sheep “trotting before him back across the ground, around the track, through the bridges and hurdles, keeping up the same barking and buck jumping antics.” “New City Fair a Hummer.” Sun, August 24, 1905.

The other dog, Jack, seems to have been a red border collie type because the newspaper said he was the image of Red Wull. Carnochan (or more likely his head shepherd did but you never know) trialed Jack at least two other times, maybe three, once going all the way to Toronto to see his dog run. Insofar as I know, neither dog was registered in a kennel club; I looked for U.S. mentions because Carnochan was an AKC bigwig. The good thing about dogs owned by people like G. M. Carnochan and J. P. Morgan was that their dogs didn’t make a move without being noticed and written about.

A few years ago, I corresponded pleasantly with the Carnochan family. The one person, Bliss Carnochan, who might have had records, does not. G. M. was his grandfather. The eldest son of G.M. inherited the farm and turned it into a place to raise lab animals: rats, mice, and guinea pigs. He died without issue, so the direct line of farm ownership has vanished.

If you wanted to track these dogs down, you would have to read ag journals carefully to find the farm manager’s name or the head shepherd’s, then get lucky and find descendants with records.

For more details on early sheepdog trials in North America and on finding descendants of early trialists, get the program for the 2010 National Finals.

Penny

[Christine R.]

Christine, you should submit her pictures to the Border Collie Museum (link is to the coat type page)- I think they're looking for a bearded picture :-)

She is really adorable!!

I dit it!

The day before yesterday i sent some photos of Lone -
and today she´s in.

The Border Collie Museum

Christine

[Andlcs]

Hi,

Lone is very cute indeed, I wish I had one of Jim's progeny.

If you look carefuly Jim's pedigree you will see there's a bitch registered as 'Bearded' in the 3rd generation. So maybe both Lone's parents have passed this hairy face to her.

[Maja]

Lone is adorable! She has such sweet eyes!

My herding instructor also has a dog whose father is Jim. His name is Hybeck Glen. He is very talented.

Your neighbor,
Maja

[Christine R.]

Hey neighbor,

Yes. I know a lots of Hybecks. They are all very talented.

Jim is a really good studdog. He inherits a lot of important good things,his friendly nature and
a very good trainability, for example.

Indeed he has in his pedigree a bearded Border Collie.
In Lones Mother line, also third generation, there was Paul Turnbulls Blue. A "real" Bearded Collie.

Greetings
Christine

[PSmitty]

I just saw Lone in the BC museum! Neat.