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[Tuck's BCBuddy]

borderbob,
So essentially what your saying, then, is that for these two beardies, working the cattle is like riding a bike? LOL

[Pipedream Farm]

Or as easy as falling off a bike.

[Tuck's BCBuddy]

That too. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

[Bill Fosher]

Sheep farming cured my noodle arms.

Beer drinking cured all the other parts of me that used to be noodle-esque.

[debp]

Maybe I'm taking Bills last message wrong, but I'm picking up a six-pack for my hubby on the way home tonight, just in case.

[cgt]

Beer drinking turns my brain into a noodle.

Is this OT? I can't tell.

charlie

[Bill Fosher]

Ahem. I was referring to my torso. I guess there's probably some room for interpretation in what I wrote.

Beer=Viagra?

[Eileen Stein]

Returning this thread to a higher plane -- or at least to the original topic -- I wanted to comment on the questions about the working style of these dogs. I don't really know if the non-ISDS/ABCA working beardies are upright, loose-eyed and barky, but the ISDS/ABCA descendants of Turnbull's Blue shown here are generally not. Ben, the Blue grandson, is actually at the strong-eyed end of the border collie spectrum. As for the others, I'd say they are well within the normal variation found in the working styles of border collies. I've told Barbara Starkey, who owns the dogs, how to join the boards so she can post with her perceptions, and I hope she will.

<< The ISDS beardies really look like neat dogs. Is there something in registration regulations--don't even know it that is phrased correctly---that differentiates between the occasional bc pup born bearded and ISDS working bearded collies? I'll assume there is. >>

Not really. If a pup is born to an ISDS-registered dog it is considered a border collie, whether bearded or not. If a dog is registered on merit with the ISDS, it is considered a border collie, whether bearded or not. I've seen the ISDS papers on Grae, the Blue great-grandson shown above, and there's no notation on there that he's bearded, nor is there any notation next to Blue's name on his pedigree that he is bearded. I doubt there's any notation on the papers of the others either, although I don't know for sure.

[SoloRiver]

The pedigree I got from Teun v/d Dool is compiled from ISDS studbook info. Color and coat type is listed for the first three generations (and would be listed for subsequent gens except that there isn't enough room). The information must be recorded somewhere by ISDS even if it doesn't show up on the papers.

Fly's great-grandma:

Ceri 151753
Beard B,W
1984-07-18
T.Ll.Roberts
CI=8.58/4.47%, 78%W

There isn't any pedigree information on ISDS papers, is there? I keep forgetting to get Fly's registration papers from my trainer, otherwise I'd know.

[Eileen Stein]

No, there isn't any pedigree information on ISDS papers. I'm glad you mentioned that, because it caused me to realize that the papers I saw for Grae had to be his ABCA papers, not his ISDS papers. So maybe his ISDS papers DO have "beard" noted on them. We'll ask Barbara if she joins us.

[jimahall]

I know this is an old thread, but discussion on a yahoo group brought up the question: Are beardies Border Collies? or a different breed altogether?

[Rebecca, Irena Farm]

They are quite distinct, though as this thread notes, there is a good bit of mixing today.

Beardies are more or less a Welsh breed. Although there wasn't any registry until the 20th century (and a lot of working Beardies still aren't registered), the Welsh are fiercely proud of their distinctive lines of sheepdogs - in addition to the beardies there's also pockets of "Welsh collies" although the ATV and the trial-bred collie are overwhelming them rapidly.

http://www.glassport...rding/welsh.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk...mal_magic.shtml

[Olivia]

I got to see Ben work quite a bit in my early training days with Carlie, both in training and in a trial or two. He worked very much like a border collie. I don't remember him barking or being upright and bouncy. He was quite stylish and slinky. Very sweet personality though and I like the shaggy face look!

Olivia

[Christine R.]

Hello,

my name is Christine and i am from Germany.

Since november last year i own a new border collie (beside my two older ones Nelly 7, and Lucy 5)

Her name is Lone. Her father is Jim (by Serge van der Zweep) and her mother ist Kyp.

Kyp has got Turnbull Blue in her pedigree.

Since 2 month now, Little-Lone begins to develop a very special outlook.
Greetings after so many years from Turnbull Blue : A beard grows in her face.

I began to search in the internet for some relatives of Lone - and lucky-me, i found this board with
so many pictures.

Although Lones development is not yet ready, i will show you some pictures of her :



And here are some more :

Lone and friends

Lots of greetings from Germany

Christine
and her unbelievable charming dogs

[Sue R]

What a charming liitle pup she is! Welcome to the boards!

[ShoresDog]

Welcome aboard! What a sweet face she has!

ETA -- I just looked at your PicasaWeb album -- the pictures are wonderful! Lone and her friends are lovely, sheep too.

[Christine R.]

Thank you very much for the compliments

A friend took all this fotos. Its also her picasa Album.
And another friend found this site for me.

We are some people with bordercollies and sheep and from time to time we meet us
to have a little training together (Germanys size allows that)

I own some skudden, Scottish Blackface and Schnucken
(sorry i don´t know if there´s a translation).

Best wishes

Christine

[Northof49]

We had Jo Sermon from Brittain come over and do an agilty seminar for us a couple of years ago. She has working beardies to do agility with, and she purchased them from working farms. She sent me some pictures of working beardies as well, hope I can find the links.

According to the time she has spent with the famers she got the pups from, they do work quite differently than border collies - she has spent time with the farmers and watched the dogs work. As well, their conformation is quite similar to the show beardie, i,e, head style, etc. the biggest difference is the coats of them. THey have the flatter head etc - different than a Border Collies.

I hope I still have the links - my computer has given me problems and I have lost some of the links I used to have.

[The Good Shepherd]

Herzlich willkomm en

[Northof49]

I found one link - I know I have more somewhere

http://www.workingbe...o.uk/index.html