Immodium safe for BC's?
Posted 21 September 2006 - 01:30 PM
Does anyone have any information regarding this?
Thanks in advance
with kind regards
Carson and Donna
Posted 21 September 2006 - 01:47 PM
They say it's ok for dogs, but not cats.
I generally don't use drugs for diarrhea though - pumpkin seems to firm up stools quite well and I don't have to worry about toxicity or side effects.
Posted 21 September 2006 - 02:33 PM
But if he's feeling realy bad, I'd rather give him something to ease his pain, then treat it. When he had giardia (twice, at least!), Pepto came in handy, until we got to the vet and got him on medication. Poor pup, he was suffering and making messes in the house every few minutes, for no fault of his own...
Posted 21 September 2006 - 02:50 PM
Buzz had several bouts with clostridia perfingens, which made him really sick with bloody diarrhea. I gave him Immodium for the 1st one, and it made him worse, because his body was trying to expell the poisons from the c. pergingens overgrowth. Slowing down his gut without something to take care of the bacteria wasn't a good thing.
So, Immodium works for Sammi's garbage gut that she gets, but Buzz doesn't get it for his c. perfingens episodes.
Just be sure of what you're treating.
Ruth n the BC3
Posted 21 September 2006 - 03:56 PM
Kaopectate used to be bad for dogs but ok for cats, and pepto is and always has been bad for cats. Vets issued a warning last July about kaopectate because they changed their formula to reduce the lead content, and it is now toxic to cats. Just so you know.... if a cat needs a pain killer acetomenophin (tylenol) is usually given in very small doses, because aspirin is toxic to cats. However, anything containing the same ingredient as tylenol (acetomenophin) is toxic to dogs, which is why aspirin is reccomended for dogs.
Kaopectate is now safe for dogs, but not as safe as pepto bismol. Immodium is fast becoming the drug of choice for pets and people, I don't know why for people, but for pets, it is because it does not contain salycitates.
Immodium works fast, slightly sedates a pet, and has really no other side effects. BUT , and this is a BIG BUT..... the medication in immodium, and also ivermectin, a wormer, CAN be dangerous to collies and any other breed related to them. Here is why...
Collies with ivermectin sensitivity have been found to have a mutant gene for what is called the "P-glycoprotein." The P-glycoprotein has been studied largely because overexpression of this protein (i.e., having more of it than normal) results poor function of chemotherapy drugs in the treatment of cancer. The P-glycoprotein appears to be involved in keeping drugs out of certain body tissues. Having excess P-glycoprotein keeps chemotherapy drugs from reaching the tumor; having a mutant/non-functional protein fails to keep medications like ivermectin out of the central nervous system. In other words, Collies (and their cousins: Old English Sheepdogs, Shetland Sheepdogs, Australian Shepherds, etc.) have less P-glycoprotein than normal. Having less P-glycoprotein means certain drugs gain access to protected body tissues more readily. This phenomenon is responsible not only for ivermectin toxicity in sensitive breeds but also loperamide toxicity. Approximately 35% of Collies appear affected by this condition. It is probably best to avoid loperamide in Collies and their relatives.
Loperamide is the drug in immodium. So.... even though I used Immodium for Dancer, and there was no problem, it cleared it up immediately, I won't use it again now that I know this. Live and learn I guess...
the URL for the above is:
thes second article I found relating to Immodium and BC's is written by a veterinary pharmacologist and can be found here:
in part of the above article it states:
Even common over-the-counter drugs can be deadly. In clinical tests, normal collies that were given the standard dose of the anti-diarrhea medication Imodium? did fine. Collies with the mutation, however, began to stagger and become comatose. All the dogs in Mealey?s study recovered after being given an antidote, and were later adopted by area residents. Unfortunately, she says, many dogs nationwide were not so lucky. *end*
I am not absolutely 100% sure the cause of my BC's diarrhea, but I am pretty sure as this happened once before, same food item, same symptoms. Our dogs sometimes get after dinner "tidbits" off our dinner plates and the night before this started he was fed a small piece of steak that was marinaded in "dales" sauce ( a compilation of soy sauce and spices etc) He has a pretty sensitive stomach to begin with, so I feel that is the cause of this "bout" he is having. (side note, this marinade seems to have the same effect on my mother!)
If these articles are true, it would seem like a risk to give the immodium to a BC, however, and I wish I could know this for sure, if they do not have the "mutated gene", would it then be safe? Not knowing anything about this when we got our first BC and totally relying on our vet for what was right for him, he had been on Heartgard for the past 3 yrs (which the vet prescribed for him) It wasn't until this past month that I questioned whether or not it was dangerous, that they said " oh absolutely! and they switched him to Interceptor. (kind of makes for a wee bit of mistrust with my vet at the moment so I haven't posed this question to him yet about the immodium)
Sorry for the length of this post and thank you for helping me here.
with kind regards
Carson and Donna
Posted 21 September 2006 - 04:08 PM
We give Fergie a tablespoon of canned pumpkin (not pie mix, just plain pumpkin) with each meal for 2 days when she has the runs (can you tell I can't spell the real term?). That's along with anything the vet gives or suggests. It's always worked.
Got the pumpkin info from this forum. Now, I buy a can and freeze it in the smallest supposedly throw-away plastic containers - 1/4 cup (4 Tbsp) at most.
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