Jump to content



taking the correct group

3 replies to this topic

#1 Liz P

Liz P

    optimistic realist

  • Registered Users
  • 5,235 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:somewhere inside my brain

Posted 25 October 2013 - 12:01 PM

I had this discussion with Aled during a lesson and am curious if there is a difference here (North America) vs the UK and other locations.  Many of the topics we covered were handling for trials and how to prevent the loss of points.


My question was, if there are no marked/collared sheep, who decides which is the correct group for the dog to turn on?


I've been taught that the answer is to have the dog turn to the heads.  However, according to some people, this is not always the case.


Aled said it is often a matter of opinion and during our lessons sometimes recommended I ask the dog to take the group that was walking away from the dog.


What I really need is for Aled to come with me to every trial and continue whispering commands in my ear.  :rolleyes:

#2 Gloria Atwater

Gloria Atwater

    Senior Member

  • Registered Users
  • 2,661 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Interests:Sheepdogging!

Posted 25 October 2013 - 11:11 PM

To further confuse matters, out West at least it seems to be up to the judge which sheep you take. ;) Most judges seem to want people to take the sheep on the head, but if they are all facing the dog or otherwise not volunteering to have heads or tails, then I guess it's just a matter of picking what looks best.

If you find a way to carry Aled as an ear bug, let me know! :P

~ Gloria

You ask of my companions. Hills, sir, and the sundown, and a dog as large as myself that my father bought me. They are better than human beings, because they know but do not tell. ~ Emily Dickinson

To sit with a dog on a hillside on a glorious afternoon is to be back in Eden, where doing nothing was not boring - it was peace. ~ Milan Kundera

#3 Liz P

Liz P

    optimistic realist

  • Registered Users
  • 5,235 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:somewhere inside my brain

Posted 26 October 2013 - 07:36 AM

Yeah, he could make a fortune doing that.  You wear special glasses with an internet connection so he can see what you see and an ear piece so you can hear him.  Remote sheep herding. 

#4 juliepoudrier


    Poseur extraordinaire and Borg Queen!

  • Registered Users
  • 16,103 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Virginia

Posted 26 October 2013 - 07:47 AM

Here in the east it's generally dictated by the judge as well. If the sheep are particularly difficult to shed, then the judge may say to take any two (or one or whatever number). I believe that one main reason to take sheep "on the heads" is because that is the technique that will best showcase a dog's ability to separate and *hold* sheep. If you call a dog in on butts that are running away, then the dog doesn't really have to show any ability to keep sheep from rejoining (because the sheep have already voluntarily left).


Granted, there are certainly situations where as soon as you call the dog in, the sheep turn and heads become butts, but in that situation the dog is still causing them to turn, which isn't the same as coming in behind sheep that are already running off, IMO.



I know nothing with any certainty, but the sight of stars makes me dream.

~Vincent van Gogh

Julie Poudrier
New Kent, VA

Beloved, and living in memory:
Willow (6/1997-5/2014, run free, my heart), Boy (3/1995-10/2010, RIP), Jill (8/1996-5/2012, RIP), Farleigh (12/1998-7/2014, RIP), Kat (4/2000-6/2015, I miss you, my sweet, funny little clown), Twist (11/2001-11/2016, you were my once-in-a-lifetime dog and forever my BEST girl), and Phoebe (7/2006-8/2017, gone too soon).

The current pack:
Lark, Pipit (Pip), Birdie, Kiskadee (Kiss), Rue, Corbie, Kite, Cooper, and little Lonesome Dove!

Willow's Rest, Tunis, Tunis mules, Leicester Longwool, Teeswater, Border Leicester, Karakul, and Gulf Coast Native sheep

Visit me on Facebook at Poudrier and Crowder, Set Out Specialists (P&C, SOS)

Reply to this topic


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Copyright: All posts and images on this site are protected by copyright, and may not be reproduced or distributed in any way without permission. Banner photo courtesy of Denise Wall, 2009 CDWall. For further information, contact info@bordercollie.org.