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#21 Mark Billadeau

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:43 AM

More small trials won't get you a shot at an east coast finals (small trials don't offer enough points); you'll need to get into and do well at the large trials.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:34 AM

But for those of us who have no interest in qualifying this year, it would allow us to still participate in the sport.



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 09:30 AM

Welcome to our sport when the finals are on this coast.  The number of trials needed to not have a wait list far exceeds what is possible.  Your best bet is to push for more trials that are not running open.

 

We are not doing our novice weekend this year; the decision had nothing to do with the finals it was all about needing time this spring to get projects done around the farm.

 

The finals this year will be 1hr from our home and we're not going; we're too busy with the farm to trial enough to get enough points.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 09:37 AM

I agree with Mark. This is the way it is when finals are in the east. For people not interested in qualifying the options are to travel farther afield to find trials not oversubscribed or as Mark notes, encourage more novice trials to take the pressure off the trials that offer all classes. This is once every three years, so things are likely to ease up some next season. But in the meantime, if new hosts have gotten their feet wet holding novice trials, perhaps they'd be willing to add an open trial the next time around, even if just a small open trial.

 

You're right, though, Liz, that if some small trials were offered, maybe with all classes but a small open class (20-25 open runs max), handlers seeking points aren't likely to fill them because there won't be enough points available to make a difference.

 

Are you running in open now?

 

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:01 AM

Wait lists are standard at just about every trial in Colorado every year, due largely to people from out east coming west to provide their dogs the opportunity to trial on range sheep.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:05 AM

Yes, I have Open, novice and Nursery dogs I want to run.  My ideal trial has all the classes so I can run all my dogs.  Many do, and I am grateful for that.  Every year there are wait lists, but it's been worse this year.  Seems like the issue this year at some trials is getting enough sheep, which is only contributing to the Finals fever problem.  The CT Sheep Breeders trial was already cancelled and another had the number of runs reduced.  This weekend I am running in a very small trial with Nursery being the only class that earns points (NEBCA + USBCHA).  I will be running my other dogs in Open and PN just for fun.



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:59 AM

I'm not surprised by lack of sheep. Feed costs have skyrocketed. I have reduced my flock to levels that wouldn't allow me to hold a trial. Do you have another year on your nursery dog?

 

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:46 PM

Hi Northfield Nick,

 

I am also a Cleveland native, born in Cleveland, raised in Cleveland Heights.  I now live east of Cleveland, out in Geauga County.  Don't have my own sheep, yet, so I take my young border collie, Pete, to other people's farms to take lessons and practice working sheep.  We go to a farms in Nova, which is in Ashland County, in Barberton, near the Akron/ Canton area, and sometimes in Russell. 

 

Last summer, we attended a weekend clinic taught by Lyle Ladd, which was held at the farm in Russell.  That was great, and I really enjoyed working with her.  She is coming back this summer, and I am planning on attending again.  Her own farm is located in Georgetown, Ohio, which is near Cincinnati.  I know a few people up here in NE Ohio, and in Michigan, who go down to her place for training. 

 

Also, Claudia Frank's farm is located in Southern Ohio, in Greenfield, I believe.  I was there once, to audit a herding clinic, and she has a beautiful farm.  She usually has a trial there sometime during the summer, but I have not seen it on the list at the USBCHA website. 

 

And then, Bruce & Linda Fogt are going to be holding several trials this year at their place in Sidney, Ohio.  I looked at a map, and they are located in West Central Ohio, North of Dayton.  I am planning on going there to watch, hopefully, on 4th of July weekend.

 

So, after you move to Cincinnati, if you are ever at a trial in the area and see someone who looks totally clueless named Rachel with a very cool tri-color border collie named Pete, feel free to say hello!  I'm sure I will need all the friends and encouragement I can get!  We will probably also be stampeding the sheep over someone, hopefully not the judge!! 

 

Thanks,

 

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:58 PM

I'm not surprised by lack of sheep. Feed costs have skyrocketed. I have reduced my flock to levels that wouldn't allow me to hold a trial. Do you have another year on your nursery dog?

 

J.

You aren't kidding about the cost of feed!  I can not believe what people are paying for hay! 

 

I heard a story on NPR a few months ago, about the need for more sheep farmers, because of the increased desire for lamb in the grocery stores.  But, if it costs an outrageous amount of money to feed them over the winter, is it worth it?

 

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 11:47 PM

Rachel,  We will be having a novice trial (USBCHA style) second weekend in July north of Toronto.  About 3 hours from Buffalo;  Check out www.ontariobordercollieclub.com  Spectators are welcome;  Shepherds Crook in Lorneville

 

In AHBA, the HTD course is the most similar, with the outrun in HTDIII and the wear of the HTDI;  In novice trials you are generally allowed to go through the panels, but not in AHBA;  AHBA is a good starting ground, Welcome aboard!

Thanks for the info, Cynthia!  I will plan on coming up there.  Have to get my passport...

 

There is an AHBA trial taking place here this coming Sunday.  Looks like this one, I'm just going to be watching. 





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