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#1 SecretBC

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:54 AM

For crying out loud.

For anyone who occasionally does NADAC but doesn't have the time to keep up with the ever-changing rules....

Per Sharon on the list this morning:

By next year, you will probably start to see them. Think about it when
you see dogs falling down in tight tunnels and wonder just how bad it is to
teach them to go around a round object and have the ability to not have the
slick tunnel take their footing away!

If you think about a barrel from the "dogs" point of view, it is a no
brainer. But from the handlers point of view, it can be tough to have to teach
the dog something new.

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Yes, that would be another non-traditional agility obstacle that is going to be making its way into all regular NADAC trials (vs. EGC where the barrel saw its inception, along with gates).

I always figured they would end up taking jumps away (we see more and more hoops these days), but never did I think the tunnels would start to disappear as well. It's a ground speed obstacle -- but apparently since their 9 yps dogs keep wiping out in tunnels, now they are bad and dangerous as well.

When EGC was first introduced, I told everyone to wait and see -- eventually it would make its way into NADAC trials. Well, here we are. Last year people rioted against gates and Sharon said she would limit their use to EGC (and had a pretty big pouting fit about it, I might add). Competitor grumbling be damned, it sounds like barrels are coming whether you like it or not.

Clubs are going to be so enthused about having more "specialized" equipment to purchase and store. People who train at home now have to worry about one more thing to budget into their agility life. I'm sorry, but I don't have the time, money nor inclination to even consider this.

I've been moving away from NADAC recently as it is, but the day that the EGC equipment gets merged into normal trials is the day I stop completely. I wrote that to the list this morning, but surprise, my e-mail didn't get posted.
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:11 PM

I don't do NADAC, what is EGC?
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:19 PM

EGC is short for "Extreme Games Challenges" or something like that. EGC uses nothing but hoops, gates, tunnels and recently, barrels. There are no jumps, no contacts and no weave poles. It was Sharon's creation and has been kept separate from NADAC -- the awards are not combined and EGC classes are not held at regular trials (although some clubs have been hosting EGC trials the Friday before a traditional trial). It has scoring that I can't even begin to explain because I don't understand it -- I've never played and have no desire.
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:27 PM

Ah, ok. Well, I already thought the hoops were weird...now gates and barrels. Interesting.
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:38 PM

I'm confused, are you saying that barrels will also start replacing tunnels in nadac "standard agility"? If so, then eventually the only tunnels on courses will be straight? Sorry, I briefly looked in the yahoo group but couldn't find any info. Urg... I hate that nadac is the most popular organization in my area... it is barely agility now.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:38 PM

I only run one NADAC trial per year. It's only 20 miles away - so I go and play with my dog.

I know a little bit about EGC, but that was before the barrel showed up. So what is the barrel? Any similarity to the barrel (without the chute) in AKC?

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:38 PM

I can't picture this, are they getting rid of a chutes and replacing them with just barrels? Any pics? Are the dogs going thru the barrels or around?

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 12:52 PM

think barrel racing with horses... the barrels are stood up on end and dogs go 'round them. what little i saw looks boring... i can stay home and play "send around a tree" :). what i can't figure out is if this is to be integrated into the "agility" portion of the program versus keeping it in Sharon's EGC.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 01:08 PM

I think it's a cool idea, actually.

I like the non-traditional pieces, like the hoops. I'd like to see more pieces in Agility that are different in some way. I don't know why that appeals to me so much, but it does.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 01:21 PM

think barrel racing with horses... the barrels are stood up on end and dogs go 'round them. what little i saw looks boring... i can stay home and play "send around a tree" :). what i can't figure out is if this is to be integrated into the "agility" portion of the program versus keeping it in Sharon's EGC.


Yes, this. And barrels will be replacing tightly curved tunnels because apparently dogs are "wiping out" in the "slippery tunnels" with such tight curves. Instead you will now direct your dog to wrap around a barrel.

I'm sure it does appeal to some people. It just doesn't appeal to me.
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 01:26 PM

Oh! I thought they ran through the barrels. Running around them is even weirder. I didn't understand gates, but I saw one video on YouTube. Whoever said it is barely agility, I think I agree.
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 01:26 PM

I just went to YouTube to find a quick example -- This is an EGC run that uses gates & barrels.

Again, appeals to some, not to others. I was totally fine with EGC being its own entity -- But I don't want it integrated into "regular" agility.


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 01:30 PM

If you really want your traditional agility mind blown, witness the "gate/hoop circle."


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 01:33 PM

Found an "EGC Combo" from Champs that combines everything.



I have no idea what the actual course is in this case -- the thing about EGC is that you don't correct mistakes, you just keep going and are scored for how many things you get right.
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 01:33 PM

Agility mind officially blown. :lol:
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 01:44 PM

Agility mind officially blown. :lol:


but the question really is... is nadac really agility anymore? in keeping with sharon's thought process (always a surprise)... nadac might officially declare that it is now about "games to play with your dog". And I do not mean the agility game :).

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 01:47 PM

At some point, NADAC will have to stop calling what they offer "agility." I know many people already have.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 01:48 PM

For whatever reason, NADAC has been separating itself from mainstream agility more and more every year. It started with the removal of obstacles (no teeter, table, tire, chute, spreads) in the name of safety. Then hoops were introduced as a "ground speed obstacle."

NADAC was the first to introduce rubber contacts, which I'll always consider a great and wonderful thing. But aside from that, I just don't understand what is with the constant push away from mainstream.

Everything is done in the name of "safety" for the dogs. This barrel fiasco is brought about because apparently there are dogs wiping out in tightly curved tunnels. Maybe the problem is not with the tunnels, but with constantly pushing the dog to run 9 yps?

I love fast dogs. I love watching fast dogs. But agility is more than just seeing how fast a dog can run. You can go to a greyhound track if that's what trips your trigger.
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 01:51 PM

Maybe they should dry out those slick tunnels? My fast dogs have never had a problem wiping out in tunnels, no matter what the shape or what the weather was.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 01:54 PM

I have no idea what the actual course is in this case -- the thing about EGC is that you don't correct mistakes, you just keep going and are scored for how many things you get right.

That's ... weird. Maybe they can work Treiball in there too? Like, push the ball around some barrels and through the gates?

BTW, my 8+ YPS dog never slips in curved tunnels.
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