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#21 scullywags

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 04:24 PM

Had ultra sound yesterday and both sides have tears right side high moderate left side moderate
so after all this pain for my dog and my pocket book I will be a on a fitness and warm up mission

thankfully I have agreat rehab team for my boy and thank you all for your support and information

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 01:44 PM

have not posted in awhile my life has been consumed by this injury!!
need to vent sooo frustrated

second ultrasound shows the left side is no moderat tears at insertion
right side shows severe tears from origin to insertion
we are on week 9 of crate rest and leash only

the original diagnostic vet has had suffered injury that caused him not to be seen by her after this ultrasound
so i have no rehab protocol at this point the ultrasound vet siad the left side needs to be worked to stop formation of scar tissue but the right side cannot be worked

no vets in my area have clue about treating this
I am thankful the lady doing my laser and accupucture has really tried to educate herself on this but right now i am panicked becuase I am told the scar tissue is what causes re occurance
my poor dog is so tired of this and he still is painful and it is breaking my heart and bank account at this point.

wahhhh thanks for the ear :)

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 02:08 PM

Have you seen any improvement at all over the 9 weeks? What have you been doing for rehab?

Ironically, my dog tore hers acutely (stepped in a hole while running at top speed) about a week after I posted here that I didn't know anything about this type of injury. Now I do! She tore hers 2/14/12 and she's improved steadily since then. Today she was able to do 11 minutes in the underwater treadmill without soreness or lameness. We did 12 laser sessions over 6 weeks or so, and she's been on restricted activity this whole time. I don't keep her in a crate though, but an expen. Surprisingly she has not lost any muscling during this period of decreased activity. I've also done Passive Range of Motion (ROM) stretches and we're now on Active ROM stretches.

I've kept track of her treatment here:
http://wickydoodle.l...m/tag/iliopsoas

Good luck and hope he's improving soon!

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 02:48 PM

Have you seen any improvement at all over the 9 weeks? What have you been doing for rehab?

Ironically, my dog tore hers acutely (stepped in a hole while running at top speed) about a week after I posted here that I didn't know anything about this type of injury. Now I do! She tore hers 2/14/12 and she's improved steadily since then. Today she was able to do 11 minutes in the underwater treadmill without soreness or lameness. We did 12 laser sessions over 6 weeks or so, and she's been on restricted activity this whole time. I don't keep her in a crate though, but an expen. Surprisingly she has not lost any muscling during this period of decreased activity. I've also done Passive Range of Motion (ROM) stretches and we're now on Active ROM stretches.

I've kept track of her treatment here:
http://wickydoodle.livejournal.com/tag/iliopsoas

Good luck and hope he's improving soon!

thanks for the reply i am so sorry to hear this about you dog also
yes i do see hes less roached in the back and his pain has become less when we do accupunture
since i have lost the diagnosing vet i hvae no rehab protocal to follow he is being allowed loose in thliving room with me but either tied to the door or in crate if we are not able to monitor his movement
right not hes still very lame on the right side so the laser vet is telling me keep restricitng til that side improves



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Posted 01 April 2012 - 02:58 PM

Are you using tamheel cream on the site or giving orally
my laser vet has mine on microlactin msm and ha
increased his protein with K9 superfuel and then 1 lasr 1 accupunture per week
i am icing and using a magnetic bed that does some type of pulse for 30 minutes each day
leach walks to potty only about 8 of these per day for 3 to 5 minutes on flat ground

since i have no acess to a rehab person to show me the streches i have not done anything for fear of causing more harm than good

what state do you reside in? i have found a couple of vets in m y home state but they are good hours drive to get to any water therapy facility and then they can only see me during my work hours really getting frustrated

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 07:27 AM

I use Traumeel tablets. I'm not sure about dealing with chronic iliopsoas injuries, but I know for acute injuries it is VERY important not to stretch too early in the healing process or you can cause microtears.

I wouldn't worry about not being near a water rehab facility. That's really just a bonus for me because I have access to one, it's not a necessary part of the rehab. I think rest, anti-inflammatories and laser were the main things helping Wick heal.

There used to be a NC Agility yahoo list; that may be a good place to ask where to go. Or check with Carson Crazies.

Personally, I'd highly recommened Regina Schwabe in VA (www.wellpaws.com). She's probably closer than the SC vet and she'll show you exactly what you need to do at home. She's also very reasonably priced. Her practice is built on giving people at-home plans and exercises, not requiring you to come to her clinic. So it might be what you need. She does have Saturday appointments, but those usually go quickly.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 09:00 AM

Another vote for Regina. I'm a vet in Galax, VA, which is about 5mi from the NC border, but I am in the beginning stages of my rehab training. I could help you out if we have a little extra input from someone who is more experienced :) However, I think I know how Regina treats these injuries, in general. Your dog's case sounds more severe than the ones I've seen, though.

I could help you with stretches and exercises, when the time comes. I do not have an underwater treadmill (streams can replace these and are free) but do have some other stuff.

I'd also *really* highly recommend Univ of Tennessee. Depending on where you are in NC, it's not that far (closer than Regina, probably), and 100% worth it. The Rehab department there is top-notch.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 11:16 AM

Another vote for Regina. I'm a vet in Galax, VA, which is about 5mi from the NC border, but I am in the beginning stages of my rehab training. I could help you out if we have a little extra input from someone who is more experienced :) However, I think I know how Regina treats these injuries, in general. Your dog's case sounds more severe than the ones I've seen, though.

I could help you with stretches and exercises, when the time comes. I do not have an underwater treadmill (streams can replace these and are free) but do have some other stuff.

I'd also *really* highly recommend Univ of Tennessee. Depending on where you are in NC, it's not that far (closer than Regina, probably), and 100% worth it. The Rehab department there is top-notch.



thank you for responding
i just heard back from my diagnosing vet that they can get him recovered if i bring him and let him stay at the rehab place for a month and pay 150 a day mind you shes discounting it from her normal 215
a day and offered me this "deal" if I leave him for 2 weeks that i pay for they will let him stay 2 more weeks at no cost
so my part is $2030.00 I have already spent $1324.00 at her place this is not including the 600 or so on laser stuff here
I hate to do this but there is no way i can afford to do that
how sad i have to put price on his health

i think i will call regina and ask her maybe i can work that out

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 05:54 PM

Feel free to PM me if I can help you in the future.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 06:56 PM

I think you will really like Regina's prices. Even taking into account the gas to drive up there, it's still a great deal. And she's just phenomenal. I see her whenever I drive back east (in fact just made an appt for this summmer!).

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:12 AM

I think you will really like Regina's prices. Even taking into account the gas to drive up there, it's still a great deal. And she's just phenomenal. I see her whenever I drive back east (in fact just made an appt for this summmer!).



i think even with the cost i feel like i should not have to beg for answers i know that drs cannot guarantee anything but i want to know steps 1 thru 10 upfront
coming in everyday looking at him like this is killing me and the guilt of not doing the best i can for him i would be a smuck

but my flip side is heres my dog 6 months from now hurt again .......oh so many questions i will be calling regina today

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 07:33 AM

I'm sorry Scullywags, I talked to my friend and I was way off. Her dog is having Platelet rich plasma injected into the muscle tear. He is suffering from scar tissue where the tear healed.
They are ultra sounding the dog for placement of the injection and then to see if they can tell any difference after a week of the injection. And yes they said could tell the difference. So they did not do another injection. If this fails to work they are going to do surgery and actually cut the scar tissue so that the dog won't be as tight. After this long the dog does have an affected gait but he doesn't seem to get that lame from everyday life but trying to work him on stock will stiffen him up by the end of the day.
If you want more info I can get her email address and you can contact her directly.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:18 AM

I'm sorry Scullywags, I talked to my friend and I was way off. Her dog is having Platelet rich plasma injected into the muscle tear. He is suffering from scar tissue where the tear healed.
They are ultra sounding the dog for placement of the injection and then to see if they can tell any difference after a week of the injection. And yes they said could tell the difference. So they did not do another injection. If this fails to work they are going to do surgery and actually cut the scar tissue so that the dog won't be as tight. After this long the dog does have an affected gait but he doesn't seem to get that lame from everyday life but trying to work him on stock will stiffen him up by the end of the day.
If you want more info I can get her email address and you can contact her directly.

Good luck




Its called PRP I know all about that stuff cool thanks
yes if you get the scar tissue thats what dooms the dog for further issue and my findings are mixed on the best treatment for keeping it at bay .

Horse medical care has come eons in the lst 10 years lets hope that holds true for small animals the options are there but few drs use them so obtaining the care is still not as easy as it is for horses

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:20 AM

I think you will really like Regina's prices. Even taking into account the gas to drive up there, it's still a great deal. And she's just phenomenal. I see her whenever I drive back east (in fact just made an appt for this summmer!).



Regina is not taking new clients

she did say she would try to find me a referral and that laser was sufficent for treating this injury
but no more info than that
so my frustraion is SOMEBODY tell me details I told her i would pay for a consult but to no avail
wahhhhhhhhh

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 10:31 AM

This web pagehas a pretty good overview of the rehab process for both acute and chronic injuries.

As for the actual exercises that you'll need to do & when you can start doing various exercises, it's really dependant on how well your dog progresses. It really does sound like you need to find a rehab vet, rather than a general vet. I had to drive an hour each way to find someone who specilized in rehab for sports injuries. It sounds like you may have an even longer drive, but it was completely worth it. You might check to see if you have any vet schools relatively near you to see if they have anyone or can refer you.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:09 AM

Regina is not taking new clients


Oh, sorry, didn't know! I can share what she tells me when I go in early June.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:58 AM

There is a vet in Huntersville that does rehab, she is a new to rehab vet but did a decent job with my dog that severed her digital flexor tendon. I believe I previously gave you her information? SHe is not afraid to consult either. Let me know if you need it again

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 02:29 PM

This web pagehas a pretty good overview of the rehab process for both acute and chronic injuries.

As for the actual exercises that you'll need to do & when you can start doing various exercises, it's really dependant on how well your dog progresses. It really does sound like you need to find a rehab vet, rather than a general vet. I had to drive an hour each way to find someone who specilized in rehab for sports injuries. It sounds like you may have an even longer drive, but it was completely worth it. You might check to see if you have any vet schools relatively near you to see if they have anyone or can refer you.



I have that info thanks key is finding a new dr and getting so me answers the DMV that does my laser like to fell over when i told her what they wanted to do with him
I am about done with the entire thing to be honest hes 3 legged today and not one time has he made some wrong move i know of who knows sorry to all of you for being the drama queen i just and pissed that 9 weeks later i cannot get solid answers

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:57 PM

Def. makes you wonder.
My friend spent about 3+ years continuing to search out answers for rehabbing her dog with the same issue.

I always wondered if at one point she was throwing good money after bad.
My Mick has tons of issues, I don't think this is one, but he has his good days and his bad. Her dog seems to be better than Mick on even a good day.
I let Mick do what he can and when he needs rest he basically puts himself out or I see he needs less activity that day and keep him inside.

Could you just rest him, figure out what home based rehab would/could keep the scar tissue from getting to bad and give him and you some time to just chill? I kept thinking all my friend was doing was more or less just keeping the injury aggravated.
I'm no expert but unless this platelet rich plasma is a miracle, I haven't seen much difference in my friends dog and he seems to live a pretty good life. His biggest issue after all this time is that when he sits he likes to push his back up on something for support, you wouldn't notice unless she points it out. That and he doesn't use the affected leg when going down steps. He works ducks sometimes but she doens't let him work sheep as he has no low or slow gear. Training issue but he's sort of a train wreck on his own body when working sheep. She is not devistated by the stockwork, she has other dogs and does other venues with him. Not agility of course.

There are money decisions that unfortunately have to be made, don't beat yourself up if that's where you are for now. As long as you're not letting him do further damage I think you could pick up in a month or so and see where you're at then.


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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:22 PM

I found a list of canine rehab vets in North Carolina. Perhaps someone will be close enough to work out for you.
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