Posted 23 January 2012 - 01:18 AM
Posted 23 January 2012 - 01:09 PM
"How much do I worry about this?" Let me keep all blunt objects and firearms away from you, until she runs right. Sometimes all feelings are otherwise, but no dog is worth suicide, only because you can always get another dog.
No one can guarantee you will repair a bad outrun. Your dog being young will enhance your chances. Your dog being older, with more entrenched behaviours, will make repair less likely. Practising doing the wrong thing, cements behaviour as much a practising doing the right thing. You are speaking of a history of correcting outrun problems so I interpret that to mean a consistent trouble that has gone on successfully for some time. Here are a couple of things you can try.
This dog has to come back to at hand work--a distance where you are in a position to intervene and correct her/him. If you outrun big distances there is very little you can do for a stop short, outside of pleading on hand and knee for them to go further. This is no time to go big or go home. Fix it close up before you adventure into distances.
The other thing I would question is your sheep. Are they so doggy, they are off before the dog arrives, therein making a wrong outrun sort of right, under the circumstances? They practise stopping wrong, not finishing off the cast to its 20 point conclusion. Do that often enough at home, and you have them already to do it at trials. If your sheep are the start of the problem, re-arrange your outruns so the sheep do not go off before your dog gets there, either by gathering from somewhere else, or by getting some one to spot them for you.
Some people are crazy enough about their dogs that they can live with bad outrunning. I would have a terrible time having any affection for a poor outrunner. I could have no tolerance. If you are prepared to lose five points or there about, every time you take to the post, OK. Run on. If you are the agent of the problem, (and I am not saying that you are), best to re-examine your dog training habits, under the watchful eye of a skilled professional or you will re-introduce the problem to your next generation of dogs.
Posted 23 January 2012 - 02:57 PM
Don't be scared. Take action.
You haven't told us about your sheep scene.
Well amanda now im scared...my dog is under 2 yr old and this is all recent goings on so im hoping she works through this with your suggestions.
Posted 24 January 2012 - 11:27 PM
So i went out and worked today. I used all your suggestions. The dog responded well and the issue resolved. So i think there were a few things goin on that caused this to start. Changing the sheep around, changing the outrun seemed to help alot.
I also decided to not get on the dog for stopping at the the top. But let the dog just keep goin on as long as the sheep wasnt racing. And this seemed to give the dog some momentum.
So this leads me to my next question. Is it possible that i came down too hard and broke some of my dogs momentum in trying to get a complete stop?
Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:31 AM
It is entirely possible that you have come down too hard on your dog. Normally, novice hands do the opposite and give their dogs too much leeway. So the problem does not rise to the top of the usual suspects. There is a fine line in training where, overdoing it and letting things be slack, meet. The most skilled trainers among us, inspire their dogs to do the right thing and discourage them from doing the wrong thing, without demoralizing them. We all want to see a dog give a job everything the dog has. Seeing the defeated one, whose morale has dissipated, is our sport gone south. Chose your battles. Sitting down, and thinking about problems, can often bring an angle to dog and hand at loggerheads that will not be so combative, and therefore smoother, more agreeable, stress free, training. Both you and your dog can be happier.
You tell me of problems on this forum. I answer. The down side is, that the questioners reporting may be all wrong. My speculative answer is then of no use. There is no replacement for having a very experienced, accomplished pro, examine your training habits and techniques, and suggesting alternatives that might be more successful.
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