Jump to content


Photo

Dog Owning as Religion


  • Please log in to reply
25 replies to this topic

#1 geonni banner

geonni banner

    blabbermouth

  • Registered Users
  • 2,987 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Pt. Richmond, CA, USA
  • Interests:Photography, dog training, samurai movies, anime, illustration

Posted 05 September 2011 - 11:37 PM

Iíve been thinking about this all day, of and on.

Something I see amongst ďdog peopleĒ a lot is a tendency to have a set way of viewing things having to do with dogs that they feel other people should agree with in order to be considered ďgood dog owners.Ē

If Iím at the waiting room at the vetís and a man comes in with an ordinary, healthy-seeming dog with a few burrs in its coat and a piece of binder-twine for a leash, I think nothing of it, even though I have a dog that is (usually) squeaky-clean, and wears a fancy leather collar with a brass plate and a leash to match. But I've seen others cast dark looks at such people as if they were Hannibal Lector incarnate.

Meanwhile, the person next to me is knitting her brows at me because in addition to the fancy leather collar, my dog is also sporting a choke-chain. (She panics easily and I know she canít slip a choke and go careening out in front of a bus.)

Iím sure youíve experienced it Ė the dog owner you meet while you are out walking your dog who discovers that you feed raw, or you feed kibble, or you use corrections while training, or do or donít let your dog sleep on the bed. They launch into an impassioned diatribe about how you really must change your dogís food, training, sleeping arrangements, collar or grooming tools. Why donít you go running every day with your dog?, why is your puppy not spayed/neutered yet?, why is your dog not wearing a raincoat?

Of course people have opinions about everything. But dog owners, at least the oneís I run into around here, (The San Francisco bay area) seem to carry it to fetish proportions. I have my own opinions about dogs too Ė especially my dog. But I donít feel that everyone needs to share it. You think Greyhounds should only wear martingale collars or that crating a dog is bad? Fine. If you ask my opinion on the subject Iíll give it. If you disagree with it, thatís your prerogative. But please donít imagine that I want the ten dollar lecture about how Iím going to hell because I donít permit my dog to climb up the front of you when you stand there making smooching sounds at her.

Maybe itís just me. I donít like proselytizers or missionaries. They irritate me. Iím pretty free with my opinions, especially when someone asks for them. But I donít for one minute think that they are one size fits all.

I suppose that those of you who dwell in the country donít run into this as much as the dog-park and sidewalk-cruising urban dog-owning set. But what do you all think about it, and how do you handle the phenomenon of the dog-person-with-the-fervently-held-agenda-that-must-convert-you?


I'm not compulsive!  I do this all the time!


http://pedanticmystic.blogspot.com/


#2 Laurae

Laurae

    i'd rather be working my dogs...

  • Registered Users
  • 3,171 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:Colorado

Posted 06 September 2011 - 12:03 AM

I smile and say, "Oh, I used to think that was the only way, too."
People usually furrow their brow, as the idea that they may actually be behind, rather than ahead, of me on the Dog Knowledge Scale sets in. Makes them start to question their own beliefs instead of mine. ;)

Cheers,
Laura
5120876952_de8afa8164.jpg
Poetry in motion with Sophie, Taz, Meg, Ike, and puppy Gus!
And Craig waiting at the bridge.

See profiles of many top competitors from the 2011 National Sheepdog Finals in Carbondale, Colorado
My Flickr page


#3 geonni banner

geonni banner

    blabbermouth

  • Registered Users
  • 2,987 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Pt. Richmond, CA, USA
  • Interests:Photography, dog training, samurai movies, anime, illustration

Posted 06 September 2011 - 12:29 AM

I smile and say, "Oh, I used to think that was the only way, too."
People usually furrow their brow, as the idea that they may actually be behind, rather than ahead, of me on the Dog Knowledge Scale sets in. Makes them start to question their own beliefs instead of mine. ;)


I like it!


I'm not compulsive!  I do this all the time!


http://pedanticmystic.blogspot.com/


#4 Smalahundur

Smalahundur

    Senior Member

  • Registered Users
  • 1,215 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Iceland

Posted 06 September 2011 - 05:04 AM

You donīt know a lot of horse owners do you ;) .

"Milli manns og hests og hunds hangir leyniþráður"


#5 JaderBug

JaderBug

    Uff da!

  • Registered Users
  • 1,145 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Iowa

Posted 06 September 2011 - 07:54 AM

Interesting question... I can certainly say I've been on both sides of this, receiving the "What? She's not spayed?!" and "You BOUGHT that dog instead of doing rescue?!" comments more times than I care to count. And now that you mention it, I was on the other side of the coin just yesterday, when I was following someone down the highway whose yellow lab was half way out the back window and barking like crazy, all I could think was "How can those people let him do that?!" Living out in the country now too allows me to grumble things like "I can't believe they just let their dogs stay out and loose like that..." meaning the people down the road with black labs that run out in front of cars, one who has clearly been hit once or twice before.

I can say I've been there before. It wasn't until I came to college that my thought process changed from believing that dogs are supposed to live outside and that's final... now I have two dogs and a cat living in the house with all the toys and spoilings they can suffer.

It takes all sorts in this world... I know the world is like this when it comes to children as well and everybody knows exactly what's best and how right they are. I suppose it's like that in any realm of society for that matter...

6173515141_99d8e158f0_z.jpg
Rachel, Rocko, Sasha, Jade, and Pepper
Flickr Photostream JaderBug Photography
"All of our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them." - Walt Disney
"It is from that time that the incurable disease known as 'Sheepdog Trialling' really began to get a hold on me
and it has continued in its acute form ever since." -H. Glyn Jones


#6 urge to herd

urge to herd

    Senior Member

  • Registered Users
  • 3,432 posts

Posted 06 September 2011 - 08:39 AM

Interesting way to look at it. I live about 50 miles north of you, Geonni. This area is known for people Being Entitled To Their Opinions. In my mind, that doesn't mean that I have to listen to them.

And, I take the same approach to religious/spiritual beliefs as I do to dog-related discussuions. I smile and change the subject.

When I want an opinion, I seek out experts I trust. Otherwise, it's 'Really? That's interesting!' and I'm off to another topic.

I used to be one of the proselytizers, about any number of things. Then I realized I don't like to be preached at, so I stopped preaching at others.

Great discussion!

Ruth

#7 gcv-border

gcv-border

    Senior Member

  • Registered Users
  • 2,718 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:SW Virginia

Posted 06 September 2011 - 08:52 AM

I smile and say, "Oh, I used to think that was the only way, too."
People usually furrow their brow, as the idea that they may actually be behind, rather than ahead, of me on the Dog Knowledge Scale sets in. Makes them start to question their own beliefs instead of mine. ;)


Yes, I double like this. Now if only I can remember what to say at the right moment.

Jovi

Jovi

"Folks will know how large your soul is by the way you treat a dog."  Charles F. Duran


#8 rushdoggie

rushdoggie

    Senior Member

  • Registered Users
  • 2,112 posts
  • Location:Vancouver, WA

Posted 06 September 2011 - 09:51 AM

Interesting question... I can certainly say I've been on both sides of this, receiving the "What? She's not spayed?!" and "You BOUGHT that dog instead of doing rescue?!" comments more times than I care to count.


Ayup.

And although I seldom utilize dog parks, theres one in my town with some agility type equipment, so I decided to scope it out. At the front gate there is a big sign that says "no intact male dogs allowed," along with information about how responsible owners s/n their pets.

Because nowadays unless you have de-sexed your dog, you are irresponsible and the local facilities aren't open to you.

f84d543e-e476-430d-b76a-da3c85c28501_zps

 

Training is a journey, not a destination. If you think you’ve arrived, you’ve already missed out.
Denise Fenzi


#9 geonni banner

geonni banner

    blabbermouth

  • Registered Users
  • 2,987 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Pt. Richmond, CA, USA
  • Interests:Photography, dog training, samurai movies, anime, illustration

Posted 06 September 2011 - 01:03 PM

Interesting way to look at it. I live about 50 miles north of you, Geonni. This area is known for people Being Entitled To Their Opinions. In my mind, that doesn't mean that I have to listen to them.

And, I take the same approach to religious/spiritual beliefs as I do to dog-related discussuions. I smile and change the subject.

When I want an opinion, I seek out experts I trust. Otherwise, it's 'Really? That's interesting!' and I'm off to another topic.

I used to be one of the proselytizers, about any number of things. Then I realized I don't like to be preached at, so I stopped preaching at others.

Great discussion!

Ruth

Oh boyÖ A couple of years ago I lived outside of Sebastopol and every time the dog went along to the feed store for duck food there was always at least one person with decided opinions to deal with. They would catch sight of my unleashed dog, (a Lurcher, standing calmly at heel) the eyes would narrow, and you could practically hear the inventory being assembled. This would take about 40 seconds to compile and then the tiny tendrils of smoke would begin to escape from her ears (it was always a her) and the rant would beginÖ

Thatís a Greyhound. It should never be off-leash.
Thatís a Greyhound it should only wear a martingale collar.
Thatís a Greyhound, it will kill your ducks.
And then it was on to less breed-specific rants.

I learned to make excellent my escape while the silent compilation of my transgressions was in progress.

Now that I live in the city with a Border Collie the rants I get most often are:

Thatís not a Border Collie, itís a mix.
You shouldnít have one of those; they need to run free in the country.
Oh, a Border Collie. Theyíre all crazy you know.
You have to do agility to keep her head from exploding.
Sheís shy. Do you hit her?

Sheesh


I'm not compulsive!  I do this all the time!


http://pedanticmystic.blogspot.com/


#10 urge to herd

urge to herd

    Senior Member

  • Registered Users
  • 3,432 posts

Posted 06 September 2011 - 08:07 PM

Geonni, was the feed store Frizelle Enos? Sebastopol has some characters, that's for sure.

Ruth

#11 juliepoudrier

juliepoudrier

    Poseur extraordinaire and Borg Queen!

  • Registered Users
  • 15,204 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Virginia

Posted 06 September 2011 - 08:43 PM

I donít like proselytizers or missionaries. They irritate me. Iím pretty free with my opinions, especially when someone asks for them. But I donít for one minute think that they are one size fits all.


Yep!

Then I realized I don't like to be preached at, so I stopped preaching at others.


And that's a tough habit to break.

@Laura E,
I love your comeback. Like Jovi, the trick for me will be remembering to use it when in that situation!

J.

I know nothing with any certainty, but the sight of stars makes me dream.

~Vincent van Gogh



mydogs_small2.jpg

Julie Poudrier
New Kent, VA
Willow (6/1997-5/2014, run free, my heart), Boy (3/1995-10/2010, RIP), Jill (8/1996-5/2012, RIP), Farleigh (12/1998-7/2014, RIP), Kat, Twist, Lark, Phoebe, Pipit, and Birdie!
Willow's Rest, Tunis and mule sheep



Visit me on Facebook at Poudrier and Crowder, Set Out Specialists (P&C, SOS)


#12 geonni banner

geonni banner

    blabbermouth

  • Registered Users
  • 2,987 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Pt. Richmond, CA, USA
  • Interests:Photography, dog training, samurai movies, anime, illustration

Posted 06 September 2011 - 08:59 PM

Geonni, was the feed store Frizelle Enos? Sebastopol has some characters, that's for sure.

Ruth

That was one of them. It was a trip...


I'm not compulsive!  I do this all the time!


http://pedanticmystic.blogspot.com/


#13 urge to herd

urge to herd

    Senior Member

  • Registered Users
  • 3,432 posts

Posted 06 September 2011 - 11:24 PM

And that's a tough habit to break.


You betcha. I keep trying, though!

Ruth

#14 Jim Kling

Jim Kling

    Member

  • Registered Users
  • 93 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Bellingham, Washington
  • Interests:herding

Posted 06 September 2011 - 11:28 PM

I guess I've been fortunate to not have too many comments.

At least from sober people. A month or so ago I was eating at a pizzeria, outside on the sidewalk with my 2 BCs tied up next to me, and a drunk started to untie his bike from the same low rail that my dogs were tied to. As is typical, they enthusiastically greeted him.

"They sure are happy to see me. What does that say about you?" the young man slurred.

I said: "It says I raise dogs to be friendly towards people. Would you rather they were vicious brutes?"
Jim
+Rodeo
+Bonny

"Do or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

#15 mbc1963

mbc1963

    My Dog Is Grouchier Than Your Dog.

  • Registered Users
  • 2,431 posts

Posted 07 September 2011 - 04:16 AM

My friends with children smile when I talk about this subject, and point out that it's a million times worse among the child-raising crowds.

That great movie, "Away We Go," and the epic scene in which John Krasinsky wheels the stroller into Maggie Gyllenhaal's house. Aiiee! I don't even have kids, and I was ROFL.

Mary

#16 Ollysmom

Ollysmom

    Junior Member

  • Registered Users
  • 12 posts

Posted 20 February 2012 - 01:45 PM

I get this a lot with my BC too. And it really bugs me! I also agree that its probably a lotworse with horse people and new parents from what I've seen. But it really gets on my nerves when someone does this. And just to mention a few things I've been told by random people...
"You shouldn't play tug of war with your dog, he'll become aggressive"
"You shouldn't let your dog walk in front of you"
"Your dog needs to live on a farm"
"You should ONLY use treats made for dogs or else he will beg"
"You shouldn't have to use treats to train a dog"
"Dogs can't eat raw food because they are domestic now and can only eat kibble"
"Why does your dog need a bed time?" (Lol)
And many more...
I remember last summer, when he was just a puppy and I had took him out with me and a few of my friends to a dog-friendly local beach/park. There is an outdoors sort of ice cream shop next to it. They also were selling those dog ice creams called frosty paws. So of course I couldn't resist buying him some. Well there was a huge line in front of the shop. Later on people would come up to see him and say things like "Oh he shouldn't be having ice cream, blah blah blah" followed by "Oh he's a border collie, they are a lot to handle and they need this, this and this you know" I guess they weren't aware the ice cream was made for dogs and assumed I knew nothing about the breed because I look too young. Or maybe they wanted to show off what they knew. But...
nothing is as bad as when I took Oliver to his first vet visit. I was in the waiting room and a lady came across the room to sit right beside me. Asked a few questions about Oliver, and then started to tell me what a "big responsibility" a dog was. Er...
Posted Image

#17 Donald McCaig

Donald McCaig

    Geezer

  • Registered Users
  • 1,248 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Highland County Virginia

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:57 PM

Dear Doggers,
The men's room at Washington Square Park in Greenwich village at noon isn't the best dog venue but I had the Mr & Mrs with me for the nearby dog park and, er well, call of nature . . . Lots of people who push their worldly possessions in shopping carts, others who find inspiration in chemicals. Three rooms: antechamber, urinary and poopery. I left the dogs on a downstay in the antechamber and proceeded to the urinary. Didn't want to investigate the poopery which was being employed for other purposes.

I came out as a drunk did a double take at my dogs. "Well," he said, "And how the Hell are yuh!!!?

Donald McCaig

#18 terrecar

terrecar

    Senior Moment

  • Registered Users
  • 934 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:In a vat

Posted 20 February 2012 - 08:15 PM

I smile and say, "Oh, I used to think that was the only way, too."
People usually furrow their brow, as the idea that they may actually be behind, rather than ahead, of me on the Dog Knowledge Scale sets in. Makes them start to question their own beliefs instead of mine. ;)


:::Taking notes:::

#19 Tea

Tea

    Senior Member

  • Registered Users
  • 1,211 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Pacific Northwest
  • Interests:Wildlife, horses, sheep farming, sled dogs, falconry

Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:53 PM

I always use a binder twine leash when I need one.

No one comments about this.



But I have had a few comments about Shuan the Sheep Lanyard.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Great one Sheepdogging Geezer!



#20 D'Elle

D'Elle

    Senior Member

  • Registered Users
  • 1,190 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Tucson AZ

Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:33 AM

I also love the "I used to think that way, too" reply.

I use it most often when people (including my vet)have said to me, upon seeing my tri blue merle foster dog, Kelso, "Oh that's definitely not a purebred border collie, not with that coloration. Must be Aussie".
D'Elle

D'Elle

Border Collies Jester and Kit; small dogs Digger and Boo, and cats Ben and Mingo

Below left to right: Kit, Jester, Boo, Digger

 

Mydogs12-2013Smaller.jpg
"You gonna throw that? You gonna throw that?" --Jester
"I'm grouchier than you are" --Kit
(Boing! Boing! Boing!)--Digger

"I love everyone!" -- Boo

 

 

 

 



0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Copyright: All posts and images on this site are protected by copyright, and may not be reproduced or distributed in any way without permission. Banner photo courtesy of Denise Wall, ©2009 CDWall. For further information, contact info@bordercollie.org.