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#1 Malakin

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Posted 25 September 2015 - 01:58 PM

Hello,

We have been hearing all sorts of things about which breed our new, year old rescue pup could be and we are endlessly curious about the subject.

So, here's a little experiment for fun, below are a few pics, give us a guess as to what you think she could be, then check out what we have been told so far below and see if you change your mind!

On to the cute pics!

(sorry not much of a photographer, these are taken with my iPad :P )

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So, what we were told originally was that she was a border collie, an unwanted pup from a Welsh farm (we are in the uk btw) and we commonly hear passers by say "oh what a cute collie!". However, we had her genetically tested and they say she is a English setter x golden retriever x harrier hound x something else.

The coat colouring sure looks English setter, and the coat at the moment seems golden retreiver-ish (though is still developing) but we are just not very experienced with dog breeds and can't really figure this out.

As for personality she has loads of energy, is very intelligent and loves climbing all over the place and posing on the back of the sofa. She is also very sound sensitive (though not scared of noises) and also movement sensitive with good eyesight and hearing.

If there is any other information or pictures you would like to see just ask!

We are looking forward to seeing what you guys think!

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Posted 25 September 2015 - 02:07 PM

I think she's a border collie, and she is definitely beautiful!  Her general shape and your description of her behavior sound right.  I doubt that the genetic tests are yet reliable as to breeds.  A while back someone on these boards tested a dog that sure looked like a border collie, and the result said chihuahua!   :lol:


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Posted 25 September 2015 - 02:42 PM

I see absolutely nothing that would make me say anything but a border collie! She looks very typical of a border collie, including the coloration and coat length. She's white factored with light ticking, which isn't at all uncommon in this breed. I'd say congrats on your new border collie! And if the rescue said she was from a welsh farm, I'd see no reason to think otherwise. Many white pups are deemed "undesirable" based on old folklore. That trend is going away, but it would be consistent with her story.

I wouldn't test a genetic test as far as I could throw it. And I'm pretty bad at sports. :D

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Posted 25 September 2015 - 03:03 PM

She looks like a border collie to me. My Tess also has a white body, and the shape of your dog's body and the way the fur covers it is a lot like hers. Your description of her temperament also fits the breed.


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Posted 25 September 2015 - 03:13 PM

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Posted 25 September 2015 - 03:44 PM

Well, she does look like a border collie but the first thing that sprang to my mind when I saw the first picture was English setter . . .

 

Given that that's what the test said, I wouldn't have any trouble believing that part of it at least, even though I'm also pretty mistrustful of them in general.

 

But I wouldn't have any problem believing she's a border collie or border collie mix either.


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Posted 25 September 2015 - 03:44 PM

I say border collie. Those genetic tests are a waste of money IMO.

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Posted 25 September 2015 - 04:02 PM

Looks like Border Collie X Border Collie to me...



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Posted 25 September 2015 - 04:18 PM

Could be all BC, could have a dash of Springer.

Doesn't look anything like a GR, Setter or hound of any kind to me.

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Posted 25 September 2015 - 05:01 PM

I think she's mostly border collie.  I just went out and looked at pictures of English setters and she does not have the setter head.  Her head looks BC.

 

I've taken care of some English setters and they reminded me so much of my BC's.  The one's I took care of had longer legs, too.  But personality wise they were really a lot alike.



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Posted 25 September 2015 - 05:18 PM

I agree that her head doesn't look like a setter's.  It was mostly the body shape and look of the coat that made me think possibly setter mix at first.

 

But, y'all are right.  Her head doesn't look like a setter, retriever or hound . . .

 

Perhaps she's a border collie and English setter mix.  ;)


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Posted 25 September 2015 - 05:47 PM

I am of the same mind as others that say collie (or border collie). If you were to say she was a border collie, I see nothing that jumps out at me as any different. BCs have such a wide variety of looks.

 

Sorry, but IMHO, genetic testing for dog breeds are just a waste of money. I have heard of a couple of purebred dogs of known pedigree that have come back as mixes. (The samples were sent in to demonstrate the inaccuracy of the tests.)

 

She is beautiful. What is her name?


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Posted 25 September 2015 - 06:27 PM

I'd say border collie, or at least a mix.

 

Here's a working bred border collie (mine). The only real difference is he's a smooth coat.

 

 

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Posted 25 September 2015 - 07:34 PM

If the genetic test you had done did not ask for a photo of the dog being tested, then I would say the English Setter part is correct. I too thought English Setter x Border Collie mix when I looked at the photos and had not read your text yet.

I think the ears and how low they sit say something other than border collie as well as the snout shape and wispy coat (in the 1st photo). That reminds me of a setter coat. The problem is that border collies can look like almost anything so she could be full border collie too. Unless someone saw the mother and the father mate, you'll never know. :)

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 04:01 AM

Wow, thanks for all the replies!

Not sure where to start :P

Her name is Flossie, named after a river i am told, apparently supposed to name BC's after rivers according to my mother...
(I wanted to call her flow after the collie from the children's book of the same name)

We have heard of the old bias against white BCs from farmers and it could very well be the reason the litter was rejected, though it's always a little shocking to be reminded of such things, it just does not seem right from our point of view as pet owners rather than farmers.

As for the genetics test, we have been taking it with a pinch of salt. As some of you have pointed out, she does not seem to be much in the way of a golden retriever or harrier hound in looks or personality!
The English setter does seem more plausible, the coat and love of jumping seems inline with the description of the breed, however we certainly think there is some border collie in her with the conclusions from you guys.

So, either pure BC or BCxEnglish setter, hmmm.

Somthing else we have noticed is her approach to anything new or suddenly spotted in the distance. She tends to stand to attention, head held high, tail low, checking whatever it is out for a few seconds to see if it is safe, don't know if this is a English setter thing or something most dogs do...

Will try to get a photo or two if anyone is interested :P

In addition, we have yet to see her stalk anything, though she does seem intent on controlling the cats movement around the house unless called off, and will nip at her legs occasionally. This might just be her trying to put the cat in her place/ initiate play fighting though.

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Yeah! I can sure see the similarities between our dogs!
very nice looking as well, got good taste in dogs ;P

She does hold her tail in the same way as both of yours when out on walks, these pictures sure add some weight to the BC / BCxSomthing theories.

We really appreciate this forum, it's helped us out a lot with the various issues we have had with our rescue pup over the few months.

Thanks!

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 04:14 AM

Before I looked at your full post, I thought - that looks like a border collie setter mix :)


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Posted 26 September 2015 - 08:38 AM



So, either pure BC or BCxEnglish setter, hmmm.

Somthing else we have noticed is her approach to anything new or suddenly spotted in the distance. She tends to stand to attention, head held high, tail low, checking whatever it is out for a few seconds to see if it is safe, don't know if this is a English setter thing or something most dogs do...


 

I also thought some English setter in the mix at first, then the more I looked at the pics, the more I thought the BC was predominant - which is why I said mostly BC in my post above.

 

Both collies and setters are hardwired to notice moving objects - sheep or birds, as the case may be.


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Posted 26 September 2015 - 08:53 AM

Well, here's my current foster boy, Cash (enjoying a nice cool off mud bath).

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He (Cash) is almost certainly all border collie. My best guess is that Flossie is all BC, too.



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Posted 26 September 2015 - 01:53 PM

Well, here's my current foster boy, Cash (enjoying a nice cool off mud bath).

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He (Cash) is almost certainly all border collie. My best guess is that Flossie is all BC, too.

Hey John-speaking of Cash, guess whose picture is featured on the YHS adoption kit folders...

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 02:05 PM

Hey John-speaking of Cash, guess whose picture is featured on the YHS adoption kit folders...

Wow. But he is kinda handsome, just way too rambunctious for people to handle. Sigh.




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