jdarling Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Herding at Tee Creek I offer herding instruction for all breeds and mixes (traditional, rare, and non-herding) and all ages. WHY??? Why would anyone teach a non-herding breed to herd? There are enough herding breeds that don't have enough interest to bother with ... I do use clickers with owners who want to use this technique, and I do use food and toys to reward the dog for a job well done. Clicker Herding - You will learn how to use the clicker when you are in the herding arena with your dog and also for dry work. Wow. Private/Beginner "Dry Work" - This will teach the necessary skills in herding before working with your dog and stock. I seriously hope she's talking about maybe like a "down" or something, but I seriously doubt it. All this facility needs are some very expensive online herding courses ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseAmy Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Speechless at first. Now trying to imagine trying to reward my young dog with clicker or ball or food. Now laughing at the picture of me standing in the middle of the sheep clickering, tossing ball and throwing liver at my pup who wouldn't even know I was doing those things. Wait one second on second thought I wouldn't demean my dog by clickering or offering rewards when she is on sheep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockdogranch Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Jodi, I don't know *how* you find these things, but they always amaze me. Sigh. I can just see my little "Landshark" being offered a click or even food when working in the pasture where there are stock present. A Great Dane, indeed! A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Reichard Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Herding at Tee CreekAll this facility needs are some very expensive online herding courses ... This is not associated with Tee Creek (at least, not to the best of my knowledge), but I did happen to see today. http://www.e-trainingfordogs.com/Certifica...dingMaster.html I can't seem to find the right emoticon wear for the occasion, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurae Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 And we come full circle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockdogranch Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Full circle indeed! I am wondering this: you can take the online course "for credit" for $100. "For credit" from whom? Is there some accrediting agency for online "herding" courses that we are unaware of? Can I apply this toward a post graduate degree of some sort? Gee, I can see that teaching at a regular university is a real waste of my time! This really gets the wheels turning. Surely, I can get rich quick! A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurae Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 The six-hour "Basic Training and Skill Building" class is $236.25. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdarling Posted June 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 OMG! It exists??? And that's the same Kathy Kawalec ... Dancing Hearts ... woman from the other thread? Really??? What a joke! Are you kidding me???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia P Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 This is so funny as I was just looking them up today. One of my friends that has both loose eye and a BC went to a cattle clinic recently where they guy teaches them 4 flank whistles; essentially 2 for the come by side (one for the inside flank, one for the outside flank) and 2 for the away side....WTF? isn't a come by a come by whether or not it is an inside flank??? I thought...wow this could only happen at Tee Creek...but alas it wasn't them. I just want to make sure I never take a clinic with them As an aside, was at Carol Campions' this weekend at a Kevin Evans clinic (2008 Supreme champion); got a lot of really good work in. Three sessions with my youngest I just started...we actually have flanks and off balance flanks coming now, plus he really liked my open bitch; Sam Furman's Libby I bought 2 1/2 years ago...all the makings of a really nice trial bitch he says. That was a really nice compliment. I've been working hard on her...and she just has regular flanks and short flanks! ETA: We didn't use clickers or anything...did use a long line...and there was some great improvement in dogs and handlers THANKS to Carol for hosting the clinic...that is lots of work! cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseAmy Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 No clickers at Kevin's clinic???? Maybe you should sign him up for the online course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsADogsLyfe Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Well I guess the premise is if you can teach a dog how to herd sheep without sheep why can't the human learn to work sheepdogs without dogs and sheep? Yeah, sounds like a good way of parting people from their money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Yeah, sounds like a good way of parting people from their money. Exactly what I was thinking. Too bad I didn't think of it first and then maybe I wouldn't have to bother with this pesky job search! J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Hey, a way to learn everything you need to know and you don't even get your shoes (or dog) dirty - sounds like a winner to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracina Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 BTW, I did not take any online herding courses. But, I did send her all of my gold jewelry, and she said that she would pay me top dollar. Was that wrong?? Seriously, I feel foolish enough, but I will just say that I made a beginner's mistake. I hope that I will still be welcome here, and not thought of as an idiot. Karrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseAmy Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 BTW, I did not take any online herding courses. I feel foolish enough, but I will just say that I made a beginner's mistake. I hope that I will still be welcome here, and not thought of as an idiot. Karrin I for one don't think you are an idiot just the opposite I think you were real smart to question and figure things out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 BTW, I did not take any online herding courses. But, I did send her all of my gold jewelry, and she said that she would pay me top dollar. Was that wrong?? Seriously, I feel foolish enough, but I will just say that I made a beginner's mistake. I hope that I will still be welcome here, and not thought of as an idiot. Karrin Karrin - You were smart to question and ask. Every one of us has made mistakes of one sort or another so you are certainly not alone in this. Besides, I may have an opinion on your trainer's approach but I sure can't say from personal experience whether it is useful or not. Best wishes with figuring out what you want to accomplish and how and where to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Coyote Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I wonder if someone could build a simulated herding maching - like they use for simulated driving or flying. You could have a simulated dog and sheep and you would have to give the correct commands to move the dog around the sheep. Maybe we could develop a video game of One Person and Their Dog. That might be kind of fun for all the arm chair herding experts out there. Mabe in 3D so it looks really real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurae Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 We don't need an actual dog. Or even real sheep. Just this: http://games.hughesclan.com/sheepdog/ After playing this for a little while, I am now an expert herder. I didn't even have to get off my couch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Coyote Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 We don't need an actual dog. Or even real sheep.Just this: http://games.hughesclan.com/sheepdog/ After playing this for a little while, I am now an expert herder. I didn't even have to get off my couch. I could probably even screw up dry herding - what is that all about. Dry herding? Not much dust and grit in that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockdogranch Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 "Dry Herding"--no alcohol allowed? Kind of like a "dry county?" Bummer, A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjk05 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I know the idea of dry training is deeply untrendy here, but it can be used successfully. It's a pretty common training method in NZ, and Bernard Arends, who competed pretty successfully at the 2008 World Trial, incorporates dry training (dog on lead, away from sheep, teaching flanking, stop and walk up/reverse) into his training method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokjbc Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 "Dry Herding"--no alcohol allowed? Kind of like a "dry county?" Bummer, A That would be a real tragedy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Coyote Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 "Dry Herding"--no alcohol allowed? Kind of like a "dry county?" Bummer, A Oh, dumb me. That has to be it. What is it called if you herd druck. DWH? I guess the important thing would be to stay off the roads with your sheep until you sober up some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PennyT Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 The only problem I can see with Tee Creek is that they probably registered their border collie with AKC. Other than that, the site is unpretentious and straightforward. There are no claims being made about revolutionary techniques similar to heart connected herding TM, no marketing ploys for profit centers like aromatherapy or life coaching. The Tee Creek folks even bolded the type regarding clickers. This a warning for some and a welcome for others. Don't miss the photograph of the collie leaning on the door knob, however. It's hilarious as an advert for clicker training. Check out what has happened to the paint on the door. EDIT: I wouldn't recommend Tee Creek to most people with border collies. If someone with a sport or conformation bred border collie asked me or someone with a nontraditional working breed, like the great Dane on the website, then I might. In the former case, I have to admit my sense of humor would be in the driver's seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca, Irena Farm Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Private/Beginner "Stock Handling" - This is a hands on experience for you, without your dog, to clear up the mystery of moving stock. You will learn to understand flight zones, move stock from one place to another, pressure and release and balance. I agree with this. I wish more places offered it as a regular thing. I'd take advantage of it myself. I don't handle stock other than my own nearly enough and I'm always surprised when sheep don't act like mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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