Sekah Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 I can't imagine compelling a dog to learn agility. I'm sure it's been done, and I'm sure there are some very talented dogs & handlers who have been successful with that method, but I can't imagine getting very far at all that way. I do use a bit of punishment for knocked bars with my girl (via interrupting), but I'm confident that it's the right tool for the job. Which... now that I type it out, seems to me a good example of why it's kind of unhelpful to get hung up on quadrants. I'm sure many would take issue with me using "P+" in agility training, but the application is kind, the dog stays happy and motivated and the bar knocking is decreasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d112358 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 I can't imagine compelling a dog to learn agility. I'm sure it's been done, and I'm sure there are some very talented dogs & handlers who have been successful with that method, but I can't imagine getting very far at all that way. I do use a bit of punishment for knocked bars with my girl (via interrupting), but I'm confident that it's the right tool for the job. Which... now that I type it out, seems to me a good example of why it's kind of unhelpful to get hung up on quadrants. I'm sure many would take issue with me using "P+" in agility training, but the application is kind, the dog stays happy and motivated and the bar knocking is decreasing. Most of the bar-knocking correction techniques I've seen are P- : putting the dog into a down/stay after they knock the bar and 'taking away' the self-reinforcing chance to keep running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eileen Stein Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 This is what I think. To me, it's not tedious and it is very useful to me to discuss why or why not a particular training method I employ is working. I also come from a psychology background. If your primary focus is psychology, then of course the quadrants are not tedious. They're the very meat and drink of behavioral psychology; discussing them would be endlessly fascinating. And I understand that people who like to classify things and make precise abstract distinctions can derive a lot of enjoyment from the opportunity to do so that quadrant discussions afford. But if your primary focus is dog training, I have not seen -- either in real life or in any of the examples given on the Boards -- any instance where resort to categorizing your method by quadrants has advanced the enterprise. That's just my observation over the years, nothing more. But I think a number of the posts in this thread tend to bear it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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