Caesg Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Since I had a little success last night with Yin's version of the "No Free Lunch," process, now I am wondering: What are your experiences with NFL? Are there any books, articles, or blogs that particularly influenced your understanding of NFL? + While I am waiting for an InterLibrary Loan copy of "Perfect Puppy in 7 Days" (yeah, I know, horrible title! I have found that many books with horrible titles, fortunately, have excellent information inside. My first experience with this was Bach's "Smart Women Finish Rich" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcv-border Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 I call it NILIF (nothing in life is free). Worked well for me. I think it helps with impulse control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesg Posted March 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 @gcv-border How did you first learn about NILIF? Who taught you or explained the concept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Beer Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 I have gotten away from using this approach because I inadvertently created a dog who was overly dependent on the direct presence of primary reinforcers. I was able to work with him and undo some of that, but I would never go back to the NILIF model.I do use a little bit of it here and there as a technique to teach certain concepts, but I would never go wholesale with it again.If you are committed to NILIF, I recommend a supplemental book called "Plenty in Life is Free". I believe that NILIF principles can be useful in specific circumstances, but always within a more "normal" overall framework. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesg Posted March 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 @Root Beer Sounds great! Thanks for the tip and for sharing your experience. I have now added "Plenty in Life is Free" by Kathy Sdao to my list of books to request on my next trip to the library! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesg Posted March 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 oooh, and looking in to "Plenty in Life is Free" also led me to a professional, Susan Friedman, who is nearbyish where I live. I like this "partnership" language that I am reading from both Sdao and Friedman. Thank you, again, @Root Beer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcv-border Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Caesg, I have not read the book Root Beer recommends, but the general principle she suggests - not to use it 100% of the time - is probably closer to what I do. When I start training a pup or foster dog with no manners, I use NILIF for certain elementary behaviors, gradually adding more behaviors as the pup/dog progresses. And once I am satisfied that the pup understands the behavior and the verbal associated with it, I stop asking for the behavior as much. I will only ask for it randomly to make sure that the dog will respond to my verbal. For example: dog sits and waits at door for you to open it and go through. I will teach that behavior and be fairly consistent in the beginning, but once my dogs are good about doing it upon a verbal, I don't always ask for it unless the situation requires it, or unless I want to see if they remember, or unless they are acting out and they need to calm down before going outside. Basically, I don't want my dogs to be automatons, so I start with NILIF and then move away from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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