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#1 Maja

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Posted 19 September 2015 - 07:22 AM

It is not really a problem as in "I'm stuck" sort of problem. My 2.6 yo bitch  Darine, has a bit of a problem taking the command on with off-balance and off-pressure flanks. She is a dog that  wants to keep all her bases covered and used to be very hard to persuade to take flanks that leave e.g. the sheep opened towards a draw.

 

This is what I have been doing so far:

 

1. I started teaching her flanks first by naming nice flanks when they happened with the appropriate commands.

 

2. Then, I added actually giving commands for on-balance and on-pressure flanks (basically when I knew she wanted to do them).

 

3. Then (very soon after point 2, so that she would not get the idea that a flank command is always where she wants to go anyway), I would set her between 8-11 o'clock and encourage her to come to me with a gesture, and when she moved, I would add away. And the same for 1-4 o'clock and comebye.

 

4. At some point, the idea is to fade out the gesture and do off-balance, off-pressure flanks on command alone (I have no idea if other people do the same r not). Off-balance flanks are not too bad, but off-pressure flanks are more of a problem (which I understand as releasing the control of the sheep - I hope this is correct?).

 

So this is what we have been doing and we are not stuck or anything, Darine is progressing, but I thought I'd ask if we can make things better somehow, since the flank commands that are difficult for her to take are often crucial (well, ok, all flanks are important, I hope you know what I mean).

 

At the very end of this recent video is an example of the problem (soon after 3'19'' ) - excuse the music, the original purpose of the video was not to ask ask a question about flanks. But she takes one come-bye flank, and then she takes 'away; flank, instead of another come bye, I correct her and she goes on come bye.

 

 

 

 



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Posted 26 September 2015 - 10:24 AM

Here is a better video:



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Posted 26 September 2015 - 11:56 AM

I think Amanda's at National Finals so it might be a bit before she is able to answer your questions, and then we can all enjoy learning from her replies! 


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Posted 26 September 2015 - 12:01 PM

Thank you  for looking out for me, Sue! :)  

 

I noticed Amanda's name on the National Finals list, so I am waiting patiently.

 

I put the video up now though so that I don't forget :)



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Posted 05 October 2015 - 02:20 PM

WEll, I think she looks pretty good, absent a sense of urgency about the direction of the flanks.  Quite casual.  Maybe you could convey a sense of urgency.  What exactly is the question?  



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Posted 06 October 2015 - 01:36 AM

WEll, I think she looks pretty good, absent a sense of urgency about the direction of the flanks.  Quite casual.  Maybe you could convey a sense of urgency.  What exactly is the question?  

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Well, the problem originally was that if I asked her to release the control over the sheep she didn't want to do it.  So, e.g. if the sheep wanted to go west, and I wanted them to go west, and I gave Darine the  flank to let them move west she would not do it. 

 

But, between the one post and the other she improved a great deal, so the problem to a large extent  solved itself.  In this video the exercise is boring, but I wanted her to get focused on the command, so that she understood it. Earlier, I felt she didn't understand it (or more like she thought there was much more to it than there was).  Now she still makes mistakes, but I think we are moving forward.  Anyhow,  she is not very intent on the work because (1) the sheep are not going anywhere and the exercise is boring, hence her casualness. I don't do such exercises much, but here I felt it that here she needed to focus on the simplicity of the flank commands (combye this way around, away that way around).

 

Darinka  had been very tense and a difficult to train for a very long time, and then one day she woke up and decided: "I am going to be a wonderfully biddable dog from now on." So now I don't always keep up with her changes like with those flanks.



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Posted 06 October 2015 - 11:53 AM

Cool.  Everything comes to she who waits.  Try not to bore her, or she could become resentful.



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Posted 06 October 2015 - 01:30 PM

Absolutely, I will do my best! Thank you for your help!





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