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#41 juliepoudrier

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 11:22 AM

I understand what Maja is saying about the use of the term "dealbreaker." Remember, she's a linguist, so thinks about these things in a way the rest of us may not. Like Laura Vishoot, I tend to use dealbreaker to mean something that will simply end my consideration of or participation in a particular situation, and this difference in interpretation probably reflects our use of English vs Maja's.

 

With respect to dogs, I have been the recipient of dogs who were moved on. Yes, they had baggage they brought with them from their previous situations, but the "deal" I made when I took them was that I would work within or through that baggage.

 

I tend to hang on to dogs who don't suit me longer than maybe I should. In most cases, it's because I really worry about what will become of them if I move them on. Maybe it's controlling; maybe it's a pet mentality, but considering what I know of the working stockdog world, I personally can't just sell a dog on without careful consideration about where that dog will go and where it might end up on down the line.

 

That said, I have rehomed several dogs. The "dealbreakers" were (1) you don't get to attack and maim my oldsters, (2) I really don't like working a dog I have to micromanage because that doesn't fit my work situation at home (this was a good dog, fully trained although not solid on the shed, and I sent him to an active pet home on a recommendation from another handler who knew the person well, but also because I knew he wouldn't get passed on beyond that), (3) a youngster who has potential but who has some behavioral characteristics that drive me nuts (and in this case money is a consideration, but it makes me no less concerned about this fellow's ultimate fate).

 

I keep my old dogs because they are dogs who have worked hard for me and I personally feel that the covenant I make with them is that they *can* live out their lives with me after having given me the best part of theirs. Than again, my first open dog became mine because her owner was willing to let her go (after meeting me and realizing I would be a great place for the dog), so I have benefited from that side of the equation as well. I continue to use my dogs at home as long as they're capable. Running a large open course may become more difficult for the 11 year olds, but they can still manage to work at home (and set out if the days aren't super long or super miserable weatherwise). When realistically they've got just a few years left, I don't see the point in rehoming them (i.e., there's a difference between retiring a 6-8 year old--the age at which Jill came to me--to an easier working situation and retiring an 11-12 year old to such a situation).

 

A novice could learn from Pip, but I suspect he's beginning to go deaf at nearly 11, so his usefulness in training a novice handler would be limited (not to mention I can't imagine sending him anywhere). That said, if someone comes here for lessons, I'll let them work a retiree or near retiree to help illustrate a point in training and I will let my neighbors borrow them for chores here at the farm.

 

Anyway, I think from a semantics viewpoint, the use of the term dealbreaker is an interesting one.

 

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#42 Laura Vishoot

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 12:39 PM

I always will keep my old dogs.  I may let one go for the first time in the near future.  He is not yet actually old (8), really really loves being the farm helper AND trialing, but I have 2 younger Open dogs as well as a third ready to move up,  a Nursery dog with a promising future, and some avid youngsters who will benefit from doing chores with me.  Key consideration is that this dog is terrified of my old male guardian dog and will not work around him, so he's not doing as much as he would like.

 

If he crosses over the threshold of another year here, he'll remain for the duration.

 

In this case, thinking of letting him go somewhere else is absolutely, 100% in consideration of the happiness of the dog.  He is my companion, pet and trial partner.  His presence enhances my life.  I believe that he might want more out of his remaining vital years than what he might get with me.

 

If he did go, I would love to have him back with me for his dotage, if the person wanted that.  

 

This was all just musing and rambling.  He's snoring by my foot and it doesn't seem likely that he's headed anywhere soon.



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Posted 07 April 2017 - 01:15 PM

Great stories, Laura and Julie.

 

Concerning dogs and language: the first person I heard talk about how what we say about dogs "stays with us" was from ...Derek Scrimgeour. 


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 05:55 AM

A new post on my blog - a poem, not about deal-breaking, but I didn't want to start a new topic.

 

I hope you'll enjoy it.

https://owceimanowce...-snowdrops.html


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 06:07 AM

That link does not work for me, it goes to your blog, but with a message in polish (thanks google translate) that the page I am looking for was not found on this blog.

"Milli manns og hests og hunds hangir leyniþráður"


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 06:21 AM

Can you try again?  or look at the main page:  https://owceimanowce.blogspot.com/


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#47 Smalahundur

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 09:23 AM

The link to your main page works. Nice (and funny) poem, and beautiful pics.

The direct link in #44 still doesn´t work for me.


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 11:35 AM

Thank you! :) 


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#49 JohnLloydJones

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 11:37 AM

There's an extraneous character at the end of the URL

 

This should work

 

Edit: Oh and I liked the poem and photos too.



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Posted 15 March 2018 - 11:45 AM

Thank you, I pasted  your in into the post. 


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 11:52 AM

great poem. loved it.


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#52 juliepoudrier

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Posted 22 March 2018 - 03:24 PM

Love the poem!

J.

I know nothing with any certainty, but the sight of stars makes me dream.

~Vincent van Gogh

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Julie Poudrier
New Kent, VA

Beloved, and living in memory:
Willow (6/1997-5/2014, run free, my heart), Boy (3/1995-10/2010, RIP), Jill (8/1996-5/2012, RIP), Farleigh (12/1998-7/2014, RIP), Kat (4/2000-6/2015, I miss you, my sweet, funny little clown), and Twist (11/2001-11/2016, you were my once-in-a-lifetime dog and forever my BEST girl)

The current pack:
Lark, Phoebe, Pipit, Birdie, Kiskadee (Kiss), Rue, Corbie, and Kite!

Willow's Rest, Tunis, Tunis mules, Leicester longwool, Teeswater, Border Leicester, and Gulf Coast Native sheep


Visit me on Facebook at Poudrier and Crowder, Set Out Specialists (P&C, SOS)

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Posted 22 March 2018 - 03:33 PM

Sweet poem! Thank you for sharing!



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Posted 23 March 2018 - 10:48 AM

Thank you !  :wub:


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