Looking for our first BC
Posted 22 September 2005 - 12:22 PM
In the next couple of days most people are going to say rescue...many excellent older pups (6 months plus) end up there because people didn't do their homework right, and, after all, a small pup's only small such a short time and needs someone at home all the time. Many of these guys have basic training etc.
Think about it..
Posted 22 September 2005 - 06:21 PM
I'm gonna have to sheepishly say get a rescue as well. My Kellie is a rescue, and, aside from a few fixable issues, she's the best dog I've ever had. And she's only 18 mo old.
But if you're dead set on a breeder, go for working, not AKC. Others can elaborate and help you with that.
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Posted 22 September 2005 - 10:50 PM
I have a rescue BC too, and I've never regretted it. Not for one day. Watching her change, watching that scared little tail come gradually out from between her legs and climb into the braggy flag position where it spends a lot of time these days...it's the best thing I've ever seen.
Posted 23 September 2005 - 12:19 AM
I wasn't going to plunge right in and say "rescue", but I'll join the existing chorus!
Regrettably, it looks as though there may well be a fair number of BC boys and girls looking for a new roof soon . You won't regret supplying one!
Be sensible about picking one - BCs who have spent their lives working stock may not take very well to an "indoor, family" life, being so used to the outdoor way (Unlike mine, who haven't the foggiest idea of what "work" is :eek: )
They are superb dogs (well, I would say that, wouldn't I? - but not without reason!) and will repay your kindness over and over again with loyalty, dedication and protectiveness. My family rescued one back in the fifties, and I still say that he repaid us by living to over 19 (we think) and being the best possible dog for a family with children. Kids can be very cruel without meaning to be - my Glen used to get his tail pulled, dressed up in silly clothes, and generally pestered, but none of us remember a bite or snap, ever. A true King amongst dogs!
Sorry, I'm in the UK and my US geography is not as good as perhaps it ought to be, so I'm unable to suggest a valid source near you, but I've an idea that the internet will be rife with "orphaned" BCs before long. And keep on coming here - the folks that use this board will come up with some possibilities, I've no doubt.
Best of luck with your collie-hunt; remember, they're probably hunting for you, too, but don't have the computer skills to ask!
Posted 23 September 2005 - 12:25 AM
And damn' fine with children!
(This is my Snorri, trying to persuade my partner's grandson Josh to play ball. Until then, young Josh had never been this close to a dog - he was only 20 months old himself at the time)!
Now, I think little Snorri would lay down his life to save Josh from anything nasty!
Posted 23 September 2005 - 12:45 AM
My youngest was not quite three and pretty good with animals but likes to control them to the point of snapping on leads etc..At no point did Fly ever growl or snap at her. She will never be a family pet as she doesn't play with toys etc...but she comes in the house happily enough, eats indoors, rests in the day indoors, and I work her on my sheep. Without that I'm not sure what safe outlet she would have found for her mind.
I am trying agility with her on a friend's fullsize course - she will do a few jumps and the dog walk pretty well...but only because the five-bar gate back to the car up the track is the far side of the last jump!
OP, this is an extreme case - I had an entire background for this dog and I got her to work my sheep
Posted 23 September 2005 - 01:41 AM
Hi Mike, This is a great place to start! You will learn a lot from reading through the posts on this board. 2 Questions- Why have you decided on a Border Collie? and, What are your plans for the dog?
Originally posted by hangman156000:
...I am new here and My family and I are looking for a new member to add to our family. We live in Frederick, MD and we need help to find a nice breeder local.
Posted 23 September 2005 - 05:36 AM
Here is a link to a list of BC rescues. Dont be to put off by distance. The rescue org.'s are really good at fitting you with the best dog for your family. Some may have restrictions such as a fenced yard, but I believe that if you stick with it there can be exceptions made.
Maria & Jenna
Posted 23 September 2005 - 06:35 AM
http://www.mabcr.org/ These are GREAT people.
I always recommend rescue to those just starting out in Border collies. There's just so many variables and with a family's needs to consider it's important to get a dog that someone has verified is good in your specific type of home.
Some breeders will tell you anything to make a sale. It's really easy to get burned. It's best to go with someone you can trust - an organization you know has the interests of your family and the dog at heart.
Cord, Ted, Gus, Sam - plus Maggie, Zhi, Lynn, Jetta, Lu, Min, and Tully
Posted 24 September 2005 - 02:49 AM
Posted 24 September 2005 - 03:55 AM
If it's just about EXTREME activity, then you could go asking at a rescue organisation about calm BCs available for rescue.
Not all BCs tear up the house if you don't throw the ball every minute of the day. Mine is a very nice example for a relatively peaceful BC.
What is extremely important to her is that she can be with me as much as possible. If time is what you can't give your dog, than you're probably right in looking for another breed.
Before other board members kill me: I'm not saying he should get a BC by all means and no matter what.
I just think that stories of ALL bcs being hyperactive and insane are so present on the internet these days that it probably scares off a lot of people who could provide a reasonably good home (and lots of love)for a not-so-hyper (rescue)BC.
I don't know how much you have researched, but I would recommend visiting a rescue center and talking to the people there. They will be able to tell you if a BC (maybe even one of theirs?) would fit into your life.
Posted 24 September 2005 - 04:03 AM
Maria & Jenna
Posted 24 September 2005 - 05:33 AM
The other thing is check your local shelters and human societies. Yesterday we went on a hike and on the trail we kept passing and getting passed by a couple with a pair of terrific looking dogs. One was really neat, a red athletic shepherdy looking thing with a black mask and black blanket spot on the back. The other was an overweight Border collie mix. At one stopping place by the lake we passed them playing frisbee - the unidentifiable mixed breed was far the better player.
Take a toy with you and take some time to really interact with the dog (don't forget the dog will need some time to adjust to you, the fact that they are tasting freedom for what may have been days or weeks, and whatever trauma ended them up there). Remember that the vast amjority of shelter dogs are just lost or were abandoned by families who couldn't be bothered anymore. Most shelters screen dogs for adoptablity and keep families with small children in mind - ask about their dog adoptability screening policies.
Dogs that make great active family dogs - retriever mixes, some shepherd type mixes, hound/herding mixes, and most of the herding type mixes.
You can "shop" on petfinder.org - I did a search on Australian Shepherd mixes and got a ton of nice dogs. There's also this place I found: http://www.tails-of-hope.org/ if you go thtrough petfinder you'll see many more little shelters and orgs like this.
Good luck and please don't hesitate to come back with any questions - your decision makes you an "Honorary" Border collie person.
Cord, Ted, Gus, Sam - plus Maggie, Zhi, Lynn, Jetta, Lu, Min, and Tully
Posted 24 September 2005 - 02:20 PM
and I'll have to stand up and DO something!
Laid back, or what?
Posted 24 September 2005 - 02:59 PM
Posted 24 September 2005 - 04:16 PM
I definitely do NOT recommend a Lab for most people. Goldens and Labs are absolutely and totally different personalities. The only thing they have in common other than being popular yellow bird dogs is the fact that both breeds tend to have horrible manners with other dogs and can basically only play with other Labs or Goldens. (That's another story).
In an informal poll of dog behaviorists, they overwhelmingly voted Labs among the worst family dogs and one of the worst breeds for a first-time dog owner. MOST Labs (not all, but most) are extremely dominant, pushy, attention-seeking and demanding. Labs rank #1 of all breeds in pulling on leash and jumping on people. They are very high energy, and are one of the most destructive breeds when left alone at home.
I have also had numerous Labs over the past few years that arrived in class extremely dog aggressive. (Lunging/snarling). The dominance problems with owners are also getting worse. I worked with a Lab who had disembowled his owner when she tried to block him from going out the door ahead of her.
I will let my dogs play with all kinds of dogs, including the bull breeds. The only breed I absolutely won't allow to get near any of my dogs is a Lab. Labs can pretty much turn any dog they meet fear aggressive through their rough body-slamming play style and inability to give off or read calming signals from other dogs. There are plenty of exceptions out there, but they are generally NOT a good family breed. They are good dogs for people with lots of training experience and leadership ability, who are home all the time, and want a very active bird dog and don't mind spending a few hours a day working on the jumping, and don't mind walking the dog in a Gentle Leader for life!
Just my $0.02 cents.
If the OP wants a nice dog for playing frisbee with, I'll add my vote for an adult rescue BC or BC mix. I have a show-bred BC that is extremely well mannered in the house and absolutely undemanding. If you want to play ball, frisbee, or do any sports, he instantly turns on and will play for hours. But when I had knee surgery and was housebound for a few weeks, he just slept all day, every day without so much as even a walk. I can't say the same for my new herding-bred puppy. He brings tennis balls about 500 times a day and needs about 5 miles of running a day just to take the edge off! There are similar examples of hyper show-bred BCs and laid back herding bred ones. The best thing to do is check out adults in rescue and find one that fits your requirements.
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