RaisingRiver Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Just want to add that not all BCs love to want to play frisbee. If frisbee dog is your #1 desire, get a young adult that shows great drive in playing frisbee. A young puppy will not give you as much indication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLiquid Posted September 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 if it doesnt like frisbee then that gives me an excuse to add another to the family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenajo Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 If I go the rescue route are there any females pups up to six months that have been deemed healthy, meaning family history, eyes, hips, joints, etc...? That's my biggest fear!!!!!!!!!! Â No matter where you get a pup from, be it the most esteemed breeder on the planet who has health tested hips for 20 generations, you will have to accept...repeat after me.... Â ALL PUPS ARE A GAMBLE Â Very few disease are simple genetics. Collie Eye Anomoly for example, is simple. Both parents are normal, non carrier, and the pups will be the same. Hips though...are a mystery of genetics and enviromnent. Seizures...the same sort of mystery. Deafness....mystery. Â Scienctists and a good breeder with ethics can cut the odds some but repeat after me... Â ALL PUPS ARE A GAMBLE Â The only way to get a 100% guarantee of what you want is to buy or adopt it that way. If you need a specific temperament (like kids for example), specific health (i.e. no bad hips), specific drives and behaviors (i.e. herds or likes Frisbee) then you buy/adopt a dog old enough to see that what you need does, or doesn't, appear in that dog. Â For most issues that means a dog a minimum of 18 months of age. By that age you see the adult temperament, adult drives, adult health and structure. You still may be surprised by seizures later, or some other less common health problem, but that is a risk you take with any dog, any living being, regardless of origin. Â Despite stereotypes and myths, you can't always "raise a pup up the way you want it". Some dogs will *never* like children, others will think Frisbee is a stupid game no matter how much you try. Others will adore flyball and the accompanying noise, while others, raised around Flyball will view it akin to canine hades. They are individuals, not factory line robots that come off the line with a certain set of gifts and quirks. Â ALL PUPS ARE A GAMBLE Â I can't say that enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipedream Farm Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 speaking of posting pictures, I work for HP and have access to amazing resources so last week when the family decided to get a dog I bought a family collie site, I also used it during a training class I had to teach to some new employees. One rule of mine is that I never use my personal info so I bought and setup a site without using my info floridabordercollie.com  Don't mind any of the text, photos, anything on the site except for the logo. It's loaded with fake crap until I sit down and add my family stuff and start posting my new dogs photos.  As a photographer I would be annoyed if a web designer posted one of my photos without permission or even credit. Please be sure to cover copyright infringement in your classes.  Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLiquid Posted September 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 LOL then people shouldn't post images in the google image library. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiegirl Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Sue, with all due respect, when I say "many", I am referring to numbers over 5- and actually, more like 20. Perhaps I should have said "a few". Shall I list all of them? No, I don't think so, because I submit, most of us know them already Breeding is not a dirty word, and to imply that THIS board doesn't have many breeders on it, is, well, incorrect. Â "Many" folks on these very boards do breed? I think not. I think you would find that it is relatively extremely few actually, and with very stringent standards for doing so - at least when it comes to the majority that adhere to the board's objectives and philosophy. Â I think the point of the argument is responsible breeding accompanied by suitable placement of pups/dogs. No one denies the value of quality, responsible breeding of proven dogs and bloodlines. It's what keeps the breed going and, hopefully, improving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSnappy Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Unfortunately, after September 1, 2007 you might  CANADIAN KENNEL CLUB CLUB CANIN CANADIEN Synopsis of the June 2007 Board of Directors Meeting 2 8. The CKC will use the standard of the Country of Origin (UK) for the Border Collie, until such time as the Canadian Border Collie Association publishes a standard for the breed that is suitable for the use of Conformation judges  Where is the puking icon??  RDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLiquid Posted September 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 I post my collie request on a rescue board... guess we're done with this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddyCA Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 LOL then people shouldn't post images in the google image library. Â People don't post their images there, actually Google pulls them the same way they pull search results and both copyright and free material is brought up when a user searches. Just have a quick look through the page you plan on taking the image from (it is in the frame below the image) and see if there is any copyright information for it. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaisingRiver Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 LOL then people shouldn't post images in the google image library. Â Do you mean this url: http://images.google.com/? If so, that's not an image 'library'. And BTW, not all library have free licenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliepoudrier Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Julie, I'm sure Sue can speak for herself, but this forum has something like 7,600 members. Surely not many of them are breeders. At any rate, even 100 breeders doesn't constitute many when viewed as part of the total (it would be around 1 percent, in fact). Â And I don't get the idea that we're somehow saying breeders or breeding in general is bad (or a dirty word), we're saying--as we've always said--that bad breeders and bad breeding are bad. Most of the folks that are known to be breeders on this forum are breeding working dogs largely for working homes. That means they're breeding for the correct reasons. But I think we can agree (and have agreed) that breeding pets or sport dogs with little or no regard for working ability is bad. And I, for one, hope that we don't have a bunch of closet breeders here--if we do, then stating that many folks on this board are breeders might be correct. Â J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLiquid Posted September 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 is it that hard to stay on topic in a thread? There's 4 images on there that I pulled from google of which will be gone by this weekend. other than that this will be my last non-topic reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipedream Farm Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 LOL then people shouldn't post images in the google image library. Â I suggest you review the copyright laws. Despite common belief, it's your job to NOT infringe; it's not their job to prevent you from infringing. Â Conversations drift due to comments made by those involved (in person or virtual), it's problematic to let incorrect comments go by without correction since soooo many people believe that once it's in writing it is fact. BTW this drift off topic was initiated here: http://www.bordercollie.org/boards/index.p...st&p=185059. Â Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiegirl Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 I know 100 isn't a lot compared to the # of members, but that does fall under the heading of "many" to me, wrt the average dog board. Actually, I think the good breeders here, is a GOOD thing. People will read, and get a sense of what these dogs do, and just how carefully thought out, and labor intensive all of this breeding stuff is. I don't think "bad" breeders stand a LICK of a hope to survive on these boards  Julie,I'm sure Sue can speak for herself, but this forum has something like 7,600 members. Surely not many of them are breeders. At any rate, even 100 breeders doesn't constitute many when viewed as part of the total (it would be around 1 percent, in fact).  And I don't get the idea that we're somehow saying breeders or breeding in general is bad (or a dirty word), we're saying--as we've always said--that bad breeders and bad breeding are bad. Most of the folks that are known to be breeders on this forum are breeding working dogs largely for working homes. That means they're breeding for the correct reasons. But I think we can agree (and have agreed) that breeding pets or sport dogs with little or no regard for working ability is bad. And I, for one, hope that we don't have a bunch of closet breeders here--if we do, than stating that many folks on this board are breeders might be correct.  J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoresDog Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 is it that hard to stay on topic in a thread? Actually, yes! That'll either be something you love or hate about this message board. As to me, I like it! You never know what you'll learn or what really important or really idiosyncratic argument will arise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenajo Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 great minds think like grasshoppers...they hop from place to place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKB Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Rick I think you might consider working on manners a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLiquid Posted September 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 I joined this forum for help not for people to hassel me, I wouldnt be snippy if others were a little nicer. treat others like you want to be treated. I'm nice to nice people and rude to rude people, it's real simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Beer Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 This forum is delightfully eclectic. On topic, off topic, polite, blunt . . . it's all good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnewe2 Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Others will adore flyball and the accompanying noise, while others, raised around Flyball will view it akin to canine hades  That's becasue they are smart dogs! I've only tried flyball once. It was in the hayloft of a big metal barn, the noise was headache material right from the start. I considered it canine hades or worse! The dog I tried with it wasn't thrilled either. Sorry to all you fly ball people out there, maybe it was the metal barn factor.  Back on topic... Good luck Mr. Liquid on your quest of finding that perfect pup. I think the advise you've been given is wonderful. The breeding part or I should say non breeding part is the best. Kristen  Lenajo, I love your grasshopper statement. Now I know why I'm always hopping around! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 I can speak for myself but Julie P usually says it better, and I thank her for that! Â I'm proud to be associated with the likes of Mark and Renee, Julie P, Diane Pagel, and others who have produced limited numbers of pups from carefully planned breedings of good, proven, and compatible dogs. I'll still state that I believe few people on this board (at least of those who are responsible folks) breed, and only with great consideration as to producing excellent pups and placing them in quality working (and only occasionally pet/companion) homes. Â And, Rick, a lot of this is relevant to your original comments although some is perhaps tangential. It's all part of the education here. Â Best wishes, and I like your attitude that if one dog doesn't care to play the game, there will be room in your home for another deserving dog (and still just as much love and attention for the less-playful member of the family, I'm expecting)! Sometimes, though, the dog that isn't just what you wanted/expected, turns out to be the best dog for you and your family, so it's wise to keep your mind open to the possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLiquid Posted September 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 you can never have too many dogs to help watch TV at night:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheRuffMuttGang Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Errr...if you have TIME to watch TV, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLiquid Posted September 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Off Topic: Thank God for Tivo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoresDog Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Off Topic: Thank God for Tivo! Indeedy! Â Rick, I hope you'll hand around this board for a while and get to enjoy the posts of the inimitable RuffMuttGang, who most surely has little time for TV, recorded or otherwise. We all stand in awe of Debbie who at any given time has fifteen or so border collies on hand. She has nine of her own and several fosters. Her YouTube movies of multi-BC adventures are a real highlight. Check em out! Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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