Maralynn Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Being intact can make the bitch issues worse. Dog parks at often fluctuating and generally a poor place for socialization. My dogs don't socialize with unknown dogs. Only known dogs belonging to friends. And not really that often - they prefer to do stuff with me. And Any dog that has demonstrated a willingness to fight as your two have shouldn't be going to dog parks. Period. If things go bad, dogs get seriously injured or killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdawgs Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 You are risking the dogs redirecting their frustration/stress onto another person's dog. For goodness sakes, stop taking these dogs to dog parks, get these dogs spayed next week, and keep these dogs seperated behind a solid barrier until one is rehomed or your situation is evaluated by a competant professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubenunez Posted May 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 The GSD hasn't been spayed because she has hip dysplasia and the vet didn't recommend doing that because she might gain weight and that will be bad for her hips. We must keep an eye on her weight. We already scheduled an appointment for spaying the BC and get the vet's opinion about this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jescano Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 The GSD hasn't been spayed because she has hip dysplasia and the vet didn't recommend doing that because she might gain weight and that will be bad for her hips. We must keep an eye on her weight. That is the LAMEST excuse I've ever heard for not spaying a dog. Spay both dogs and feed the GSD less. You're going to end up with a dead dog or a dog that has killed another dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcv-border Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 You have received a lot of good advice here from very knowledgeable and long-term dog owners. I can tell from your posts that the advice has been hard to hear, but please consider it very seriously -- and if I was in your shoes, I would be following the consensus advice. I believe you should think hard about: Are your dogs HAPPY? Are your dogs SAFE? Are you HAPPY with your situation? Are you SAFE? To me, it doesn't sound like your dogs - particularly the BC - is very happy at home, which is where she spends the majority of her time. Is it fair to either of your dogs to keep them in such a high stress situation that they are on high alert in their home surroundings? You have already indicated that the dogs are not safe when around each other. You can only be 100% certain that they are safe if they are separated. Are you happy with living with two dogs that, at any time and with no predictability, might erupt into a to-the-death fight? You must also be on high alert at all times unless the dogs are separated. Do you enjoy living such a lifestyle? Are you safe if and when your dogs are fighting? I think owning a dog should be enjoyable. Yes, it is work, and sometimes inconvenient, but overall, the human-dog partnership should be a benefit to both. Good Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentleLake Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Intact means not spayed or neutered. All my dogs are spayed or neutered. None of them are overweight because I don't overfeed them. It's as simple as that. If their caloric needs go down after they've been altered, then it's simple -- you provide fewer calories. I honestly understand how hard it is for you to even have to entertain the idea of having to rehome one of your beloved dogs. But as others have already said, this is a safety issue and a quality of life issue for your dogs, as well as for you. Your dogs aren't happy living like this. Is that really what you want for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentleLake Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 It's important also to understand that spaying these dogs may not solve the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brndlbc Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 As a person who lives with a working bred GSD and 2 bcs, I don’t have much to offer that hasn’t already been said other than managing a multi dog household is a lot like running a prison. The warden (owner) controls much of what happens within the walls of the prison. The warden dictates when, where and what the inmates(dogs) will eat, at what time and for how long the inmates(dogs) will spend in the yard and who the inmate’s (dog’s) cellmate will be. Seldom is there input from the inmates(dogs) themselves in these matters and the cohabitation of the inmates (dogs) is often a success because the warden says it will be.For many inmates, the above program works well. For others it doesn’t. For those who can not assimilate into the program, their negative behavior often leads to choices having to be made by the warden. Behavior modification, reassignment of cell blocks, solitary confinement or worse. All choices made due to circumstance.I am happy to say that our inmates get along pretty well. They have had their moments and the situations that triggered the issues were noted and now avoided to the best of our abilities.Best of luck with your situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubenunez Posted May 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 We already accepted that rehoming might be the best option. However, we have not idea how those shelters works and we cannot give away our dog to a stranger. She needs a family which is willing to have a BC (yes, we decided to keep the GSD), because we all know that this breed has special requirements. Additionally, we don't want that the "new family" face the same situation in the future. I brought the BC to my house (I'm temporarily relocated due to work), she will be safe here. Yet, I don't have the space and the time to give her the attention and commitment she needs. We are going to spay them anyway, maybe that in tandem with her "vacations" at my place help to alleviate the tension at least while we find her a new home. It's not I'm not listening to you guys. Even when this is the best solution you don't wan't to break up your family like that. I think it's natural to exhaust every possibility before doing such thing. Of course, I won't put her life in danger whatsoever and I don't want her living under such a stressful environment either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentleLake Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 You haven't mentioned where you live, though I gather that English isn't your first language, so I'm thinking it may not be in the US. If you are in the US definitely look into a border collie rescue, or one that specializes in herding breeds. You still have to do some research, but generally speaking rescues are able to devote more resources into getting to know the dogs and placing them. Breed rescues have the advantage of understanding the breed. I don't know what's available in other countries, but it might help to investigate options. I'm truly sorry you're having to make this difficult choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubenunez Posted May 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 She lives in Orlando, FL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcv-border Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 You are correct to be careful to try to find the right match for a new home for your BC. I wouldn't use a shelter either. Here in VA, an dog surrendered to a public shelter does not have much time (maybe 5 days at the most). A Border Collie specific rescue will be the best chance for your girl to find the right situation - unless you can find a good home for her yourself. As Gentle Lake said, a breed-specific rescue understands the dogs and will screen potential adopters for a good match before allowing adoption. Check out Ewenity Farms Border Collie Rescue. They are in SW Florida. I think they are a reputable rescue. Maybe someone else here on the Boards has direct experience with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloria Atwater Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Here is one border collie rescue group that seems to be based in Florida.http://www.bcrsq.org/index.htmlAnd another that seems to focus on rescuing herding breeds from shelters but in their mission statement it mentions helping owners.http://thedogliberator.com/about-us/our-mission/This seems to be a smaller outfit, but who knows, perhaps?http://www.ewenityfarmsbch.com/It can't hurt to at least talk to these folks and see if they can help you. I do wish you luck.~ Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentleLake Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 That's good. Living in the US you have lots of rescue options. It looks like you got some good leads in FL. If there rest of your family lives in another state, it could be useful to look there, as well. Again, best wishes and sympathy for your situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubenunez Posted May 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Thank you for the information. We had to travel and leave them in the pet hotel (yeah, more stress...). They referred us to a behaviorist, I'll let guys know about our case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbssy Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 I think you should just re home the border collie, if she’s so miserable don’t you think she’d be happier in a different home? I know it must be hard to just “give up” a dog but if you cared you’d want one of the dogs to be happy because clearly they are not. Just my opinion,you can acknowledge it or not or I think you should just get a specialist,best of luck though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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