Donald McCaig Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 For some months after the first (very severe) ecollar correction, when I was butchering I'd take bones outside and toss them to the dogs. Luke wouldn't touch a bone unless I gave it to him with my own hand. Donald McCaig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdawgs Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I don't find that surprising at all. And by continuing to give him bones (under some circumstances), you were probably (accidently) diluting your ecollar work. Which is one of the reasons why ecollar-trained dogs needs refresher courses. e.g Dog gets zapped with ecollar when it sees snake. Then dog sees snake and doesn't get zapped, so original work with snake proofing becomes diluted over time. Same goes for using the ecollar in the car chasing context, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Elle Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Having a dog who won't eat a bone unless it is handed to him by his owner is not such a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald McCaig Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Since the ecollar "bait" was organ meats, Luke generalized to bones. While I think the dog's understanding of how the world works can change over time I don't believe that older Fly's not running so far on walks is a degrade - I don't run so far on walks either and my understanding isn't worse though my lungs are. I think training degradation depends not on the training methods but how important the training is within a particular dog's world. When Gael was dying, long after she couldn't have taken a flank or a down we had to carry her from her bed outside every four hours so she could pee or poop. Donald McCaig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosikins Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 If you go this route, I personally suggest the SportDog collar. It has very, very adjustable settings so you can tweak the amount of stimulation for a sensitive dog. Ours has 7 settings plus a vibrate with three buttons so essentially 21 levels of stimulation. My very, very stubborn BC/Lab works at a 2 low typically, we've never hit above a 5 low/med for her, and in the last year or so she's actually been off collar much more than on so the dog wouldn't necessarily be stuck on a collar for the rest of her life, if that's one of your fears (as I've commonly heard in arguments against the collars). Additionally, if you happen to be in the Midwest and choose to look into a rescue, feel free to message me because I am in touch with three large groups in the area that could assist you with both resources for training (the most common foster failures are with "problem" dogs that nobody else wants or that the fosters just can't bear to let go of) and a possible placement if you choose to go with that option. Dear Ms. Hibbs, Wherever this dog goes there'll be cars and you're right - nobody can be vigilant all the time. If she were mine I'd try an ecollar (shock collar) WITH INSTRUCTION FROM A GOOD ECOLLAR TRAINER. Please note: there are as many lousy ecollar trainers as lousy positive trainers and the lousy ecollar trainers can do more damage. If you decide to try it, post me privately and I'll ask around for someone near you. "Near" to a sheepdogger means a one way. 2/3 hour drive. Winnie can learn to loathe traffic but that would be easier if she had something better to obsess on WITH YOU. (Agiltiy, SAR, obedience, stock work.) Ecollars aren't the first place I go with a dog but when it's life or death . . . Donald McCaig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawgirl Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Interestingly, where I live (the state of South Australia) it is illegal to place on an animal any collar designed to deliver an electric shock, whether you use the function or not. Maximum penalty is a $10,000 fine or 1 year imprisonment. This is in our animal welfare legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald McCaig Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Dear Doggers, They're illegal in some european countries as well and, I believe, the UK. I don't thjink they should be illegal but they should be liicensed. They're too powerful a tool for the undogsavvy. Donald McCaig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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