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#41 Liz P

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 10:49 PM

Chicken meal seems to be the best protein source for being least allergenic.


Actually, chicken is the number one food allergy for dogs.

I do not use 'puppy' brand either. Mine did just fine on 'adult' food. Too much protein in young dogs can cause too fast growth or pano or possibly OCD issues.


No, it's calcium and too many calories that cause problems, not protein. Puppy food is just fine when fed in moderation (keep the pup thin). I personally feed an "all life stages" food because I want everyone on the same formula (I buy in bulk). You can absolutely make a pup fat and increase the odds of HD, OCD, etc by feeding an adult formula.

Stay clear of corn and any gluten ingredients; they are cheaper for the manufacturer but not the best for dogs' indigestion.


Corn is not evil, but for some dogs it's a bad choice (if they are allergic, for example). Sure, crappy foods use it as a cheap source of calories and protein, but there are some excellent foods out there that use it as a carb source (which some working dogs need). Eg: Eagle Power Pack, Red Paw.

I do agree that there is NO reason to add in corn gluten. That is added to artificially elevate the guaranteed crude protein on the analysis.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:14 AM

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Has anybody used the Costco Kirkland Signature Super Premium Puppy Chicken, Rice & Vegetable Formula?

If so, your thoughts please.

I wasn't feeding the puppy formula, but my dogs were doing really well on Kirkland until last summer when their coats got really dry and the dogs were very itchy. I always heard that Kirkland was Diamond, so I switched to one of Diamond's premium varieties and we are back to non-itchy, soft-coated dogs.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 05:34 PM

I had asked on here about thoughts on slowing down a pup that was just destroying her food in a feeding frenzy. Lots of great advice was received including a special bowl to slow her down.

We found such a bowl at a local pet store and it has definitely slowed her down. Maggie still attacks just as voraciously, but the lugs in the bowl force her to work much harder to pick the kibble up,slowing her down considerably.

This particular bowl is made by J.W. Pet Supplies.

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 09:33 PM

I'm new to all this but my dog Zorro already had a healthy shiny coat when I got him from his foster home. She was feeding him Diamond. On the other hand, he needs to gain a few pounds, so it may or may not be a great food. So I switched him to Merrick on day 1 (didn't have any diamond around me and she didn't give us any), and ordered ToTW right away from Amazon. He likes the high plains kibble a lot, but prefers to eat it out of his treat ball (will ignore it in the bowl). We discovered that mixing in the pacific stream wet stuff actually turned him off of the food, and he wouldn't eat it unless he was really starving! We ordered a ToTW wet variety pack and now serve it separate for breakfast, kibble only for dinner, and he loves it (except the pacific stream)....but see second response below...

 

 

PRICE LEAP!!!!

Well, our 9 week old BC got one bag of Wellness For Puppies in her and was doing great on it.

I paid 11.99 for the bag about 2 weeks ago.

Went to get another bag and it had jumped to $17.99!

Back to the drawing board and dogfoodadvisor.com to find a new brand.....

 

Try amazon.com. I've been getting ToTW online for way less for inferior brands at Petco.

 

 

 

Our new pup Maggie is scary when she eats her TOW meals. (2X a day about 3/4 cup each meal)

I have never seen a dog wolf/vacuum down food like she does.

She gets into a near frenzy and inhales the kibble without any chewing - All gone in less than 30 seconds.

She's about 14 weeks old and surprisingly today is the first time she puked it all up after about 20 mins. Not one kibble was chewed at all.

She is very healthy with lots of energy and good vet check ups. Her stools are very good.

I don't see how there is anything we can do to stop this.

Does anyone have any experience with this, suggestions, etc.

 

I know this has been answered already, but my dog got a little itchy after switching his wet food, but both old and new are ToTW, so I don't think it's the brand. We are still playing with which one he enjoys but doesn't itch.



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Posted 05 September 2013 - 09:36 PM

One more point I wanted to make in response to some people who buy kibble. I found this list of companies that test on animals, and Blue Buffalo is among them. Maybe this matters to you, maybe it doesn't, but it's a deal breaker for me.
 


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 10:12 PM

How would you expect a dog food manufacturer to test its products if not on animals?  It's not like they're testing cosmetics or cleaning products.

 

Am I missing something here?


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 10:46 PM

I feed my dogs Canadae grain free. They do very well on it. I also stay away from anything with corn and wheat.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 12:45 AM

How would you expect a dog food manufacturer to test its products if not on animals?  It's not like they're testing cosmetics or cleaning products.

 

Am I missing something here?

 

"i got an idea, let's see if this meat byproduct upsets the dogs' stomachs, it's way cheaper than that other stuff that we know they like"

 

"sure, but don't give it to fido#23, he's still got the runs from that weird egg mixture we got last week..."

 

I'm just guessing here, but I would bet that it's not like the happy taste tests on the commercials. And where do the animals come from? dogs are expensive to keep, maybe the ingredients are tested on other animals? There is simply not a need to "test on animals" if you use good, wholesome ingredients.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 05:47 AM

Hmmmm...if feeding studies (testing on animals) haven't been done, what animals do you suppose the "testing" is being done on? That's right, YOUR dog, because if you buy feed that's never been tested on an animal in a feeding study, then your dog is, in effect, the guinea pig.

 

As Liz says, it's not like the tests involve shoving chemicals in a rabbit's eye; but determining whether an animal will thrive on a particular diet does sort of require feeding animals that diet and seeing how they do. If it's not being done with lab animals, then your own animal is the one being experimented on.

 

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 06:29 AM

Excellent point ^^^, Julie. Just because an ingredient is believed to be 'healthy', until tested, one can not truly know what concentrations are optimal or how it may interact with other ingredients.

Regarding the dog eating too fast --- buy one of the food bowls on the market that are designed to make it harder for dogs to eat their food. I have seen many different designs out there, but have not used one so can not recommend one.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 07:48 AM

This is from the AAFCO website:

 

What are AAFCO's nutritional standards for complete and balanced pet foods?


A pet food company has several options approved by AAFCO. These options are substantiation of nutrient content and feeding trials.

 

"substantiation of nutrient content" means the pet food company can estimate the nutritional value of their food using their ingredient list and math

 

"feeding trials" means the pet food company feeds their formula to animals and demonstrates it has the nutrient content required for the animal


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Posted 06 September 2013 - 07:48 AM

A friend used to work for Farmland Industries (til they went bankrupt).  He was in charge of the dog/cat food testing kennel.  Yes,  they test dogs/cats on their food.  and Purina among others keep kennels full of dogs to test their feeds.  Farmland had some very nice Brittneys. and they were favored among the local hunters as a source of hunting dogs. They branched out and added some smaller breeds to make sure the feeds worked well on different types of dog.  If not mistaken they also had other companies test feeds via their kennel.  The kennels were extremely nice and always appeared clean and the dogs healthy.  (I know they did hip x rays on most of the breeding stock as well as regular vet checks)

 

Purina Farms has their kennels for public viewing out at Grey's Summit, MO.


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Posted 06 September 2013 - 09:08 AM

If you read the beginning paragraphs on the PETA website you provided, it explains that many companies simply didn't respond to the questionnaire that PETA sent them, therefore the company was not included.  I cannot believe that a dog food company would not do some kind of feeding palatability study prior to releasing a feed to the public.  How would you know that they would eat it or find it tasty?



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 09:33 AM

This is from the AAFCO website:
 

 
"substantiation of nutrient content" means the pet food company can estimate the nutritional value of their food using their ingredient list and math
 
"feeding trials" means the pet food company feeds their formula to animals and demonstrates it has the nutrient content required for the animal

Substantiation - I think that is a great idea for a FIRST STEP in the testing process. I am more comfortable when I know that feeding trials have been performed.

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 03:40 AM

I'm with Danielle on Acana or Orijen. My boys gets Acana, the cheaper version of Orijen from the same company, Champion Petfoods. When I got him at 6 weeks he was on Eukanuba and his coat was dull, so I did some research and switched to Innova. Since Innova's 'joining' with P&G I've switched to Acana and love it. Oliver's coat is so silky and shiny I could pet him all day - which he would have no qualms over ^.^
I'm a firm believer that any dog food that contains corn is crap. Also that at least the first ingredient should be meat. Its great if you have a picky eater, it has a high palatability. Also, the less grains in a dog food the less likely food allergies are to arise.
The only downside is that it isn't exactly cheap. A 30lb bag is $60 where I live, good thing I only have one dog http://www.bordercol..._DIR#/smile.gif
There are lots of other good dog foods out there, Acana/Orijen is just the one I chose.



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Posted 06 February 2016 - 03:40 AM

I'm with Danielle on Acana or Orijen. My boys gets Acana, the cheaper version of Orijen from the same company, Champion Petfoods. When I got him at 6 weeks he was on Eukanuba and his coat was dull, so I did some research and switched to Innova. Since Innova's 'joining' with P&G I've switched to Acana and love it. Oliver's coat is so silky and shiny I could pet him all day - which he would have no qualms over ^.^
I'm a firm believer that any dog food that contains corn is crap. Also that at least the first ingredient should be meat. Its great if you have a picky eater, it has a high palatability. Also, the less grains in a dog food the less likely food allergies are to arise.
The only downside is that it isn't exactly cheap. A 30lb bag is $60 where I live, good thing I only have one dog http://www.bordercol..._DIR#/smile.gif
There are lots of other good dog foods out there, Acana/Orijen is just the one I chose.



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Posted 06 February 2016 - 03:44 AM

Sorry i may have accidentally posted this three times! Anyways! We give our girl Acana duck and Bartlett pear, but she's been dealing with the runs lately, so id like to try a different kind...which kind do you feed? We LOVE acana as it is all sourced from our home and we dont want to change! !

I'm with Danielle on Acana or Orijen. My boys gets Acana, the cheaper version of Orijen from the same company, Champion Petfoods. When I got him at 6 weeks he was on Eukanuba and his coat was dull, so I did some research and switched to Innova. Since Innova's 'joining' with P&G I've switched to Acana and love it. Oliver's coat is so silky and shiny I could pet him all day - which he would have no qualms over ^.^
I'm a firm believer that any dog food that contains corn is crap. Also that at least the first ingredient should be meat. Its great if you have a picky eater, it has a high palatability. Also, the less grains in a dog food the less likely food allergies are to arise.
The only downside is that it isn't exactly cheap. A 30lb bag is $60 where I live, good thing I only have one dog http://www.bordercol..._DIR#/smile.gif
There are lots of other good dog foods out there, Acana/Orijen is just the one I chose.



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Posted 06 February 2016 - 11:47 AM

You could try the other Acana flavors.  Personally, I rotate foods.  It would be an extremely rare day when I feed the same thing twice in a row.



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Posted 06 February 2016 - 02:30 PM

I would stay away from Wellness. I used it for a while and it ended up making my young dog very ill. They have quality control problems. We switched to Canidae Life formula and all is well. Also Canidae does not use the NC Diamond food plant that has had so many recalls and violations.

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 02:31 PM

Before I would be targeting the dog food as the culprit, I would be thinking about 'Is my dog under some sort of stress?' or 'Did my dog eat something outside that messed up her digestive system?' and 'Is it parasites?'

 

If I see the runs (not just once or twice, that can happen and I don't worry too much about it - but 2 or 3 or more days in a row), I will usually bring a fecal sample into the vet's to have it screened for parasites (including Giardia, which is usually a separate (and more money) test).


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