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  2. Please excuse my hijacking this thread and also a possibly ignorant question... but I have a tri-colored border collie (red, white, and a couple tan markings) who has some red merle siblings. Or they might be called lilac? I was wondering if that means my border collie might be considered a merle and it just doesn't show as well? I'm not planning to breed her, but I do find the genetics interesting and I like to be informed! I've included a picture of my pup along with her siblings and one of her as an adult showing the tan on the side of her face.
  3. Hi all, I was reading the thread on Anzley Grace and someone mentioned the changes that occur on a pup's nose when they have unpigmented skin. Does anyone know how long these changes continue? My girl's nose has changed quite a bit and I put together a series of photos to document it. I was curious if it might continue (she's almost a year and a half old) and also do you take any precautions to keep their noses from getting burned? I'd also love to see pictures of your beautiful pups as well! Thanks everyone!
  4. Open Regular title today and a good start on Open Touch and Go. Truthfully, I''ll probably drop him back to Novice after the fall trials, here. I'm changing how I'm handling (lots more distance going on) and that means he needs some room to adjust and novice courses are a good place to do that. In other news he has a really nice running dog walk and I have no idea why but I'm keeping it.
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  8. The working dogs that I have seen on Ranch Dog are going for $500. These are nicely bred working dogs. An ad just came over for cow dogs that are merled.
  9. Are there some moments where you can up the treat currency? For example: we've started using steak (in tiny pieces) to do things like cross busy streets. If Tama can't pay attention then I know sometimes even the best of treats won't work (been there, for sure) - but in moments where you can get that attention! Steak. (If you feel like you need a higher currency treat, that is. Otherwise I'd save it for when it's really going to be necessary.) That sense of "whyyyy is it like thiiiis!" sounds very familiar. We have also gone in and out of very good periods and really, really frustrating periods. I once read someone's comment on a post, a while back, that said something like: all the training in the world doesn't make them older, which only comes with time. Sounds like you're training a ton (yay!) but also, I think it can be comforting to remember that time will also help.
  10. Thank you, this is exactly how we feel. No matter that we gave Oscar a wonderful life, and we did try to, he should have had another seven years of that wonderful life to look forward to. He was robbed and we were robbed. And that hurts.
  11. I'm so sorry for your unexpected loss. I vet I worked for years ago used to say to people losing a dog young "You were robbed! You should be angry and upset! You should have had this dog for another seven years!" So, you have my deepest sympathy.
  12. Oh, I am so so sorry..you can feel the love/loss in the tribute. I'm so sorry.
  13. I have no words that can ease your loss, or articulate how it must feel to you better than your partner's moving tribute to the handsome Mr. Schnoz. So through my tears I'll just say dogspeed to this wonder who brought so much into your lives and will obviously continued to be loved as long as each of you has the breath to do so. roxanne
  14. This is exactly what our fetch sessions look like
  15. It is with tears in my eyes that I share that my much loved boy Oscar has passed on September 11, 2019. He was just seven years, two months old. On Saturday, Oscar was racing around, happy as usual, but then developed an occasional cough. By Sunday, his bark was quite hoarse. On Monday, we took him to the vet, who diagnosed tracheolitis, and put him on antibiotics and anti-inflammatories. On Tuesday, Oscar was much worse. His head was hanging low and he would not lift it vertically, he was reluctant to drink, and could not jump up onto anything. So back to the vet. After a complete blood panel, Oscar's liver enzymes were slightly elevated, his red blood cell count was elevated, but his white blood cell count was down. Oscar's neck was not sore, but he would not voluntarily raise it, and he had mildly reduced reaction in his hind legs. The conclusion was likely sepsis with neurologic involvement. We left him at the vets overnight for IV antibiotics and pain relief. On Wednesday morning, Oscar's condition had deteriorated again. He could just about roll from his side to his stomach with help, and could move his legs, but could not stand. Oscar could not raise his head. It appeared his organs were shutting down. There was nothing more our local vet could do for him. Oscar was incredibly stressed at the vet. They could refer him to a vet hospital 500 kilometres (310 miles) away for further investigation. Oscar is not a good traveller, and does not do that well away from home when he is well, let alone sick. There was no guarantee there was anything anyone could do to help him, given how quickly he had deteriorated. We brought Oscar home and let him spend the day surrounded by love before the vet came and put him to sleep. He was much calmer at home. My partner wrote this post on Facebook, It says everything Oscar meant to us so much better than I can. Oh Oscar, Mr Schnoz. What can I say about you? I will try and write something but forgive me, my eyesight is impaired, burdened with tears so big that only the greatest sorrow could ever create. A story maybe. As a boy I loved Footrot Flats and from the earliest readings of those comic strips I had always wanted a Border Collie. They seemed so intelligent, so individual. Come 2012 we had moved into our own house and my thirtieth birthday was fast approaching, knowing from many discussion that it was the dog I had always wanted Kate was on the hunt and a week before my birthday she found what she was looking for. Border Collie puppies. I have had good dogs. Dogs that I had a deep connection with. I grew up with the most unique Lassie Collie you could think imagine. This new fluff ball was going to be Kate's first live inside own dog, we had to decide between two available puppies, one called Orange and one called Yellow, named due to their coloured tags. Which to choose? A tri colour pup with the cutest black paw print on his pink nose, or a white faced pup with two different coloured eyes? Kate had formed a deep fondness for Clancy, my parents tri colour Lassie. The choice was made. We would go with Orange but Kate, even prior to calling and organising pickup of Orange had made it clear that Yellow, the white face was an "Oscar", no understanding why but that was just the right name for him. We set out on our trip to Dartmoor, to pick up Orange from a breeders son who was making the trip to meet us kind of half way between our home and the breeders home. We were instantly in love and Orange, due to his insatiable curiosity, would become George. But it was still fated and some may say Thanos like, inevitable, Kate had already named Oscar. So by the time we got home that evening, settled inside with Orange, Kate made the call "Can we pick up the white face too." My birthday. Two days after picking up Orange we set out for the same trip to collect Yellow, Oscar. It was instant madness. Oscar was a fat bombastic bully that tormented George in only the ways a puppy can. They were the last two pups in the litter and they were always going to be inseparable. It was everything you could ever hope for. Endless fun. But. There was a dark underside to all of this. I was suffering. I was in a terrible head-space. Somewhere I thought, at the time, was so deep I could never come back from. George and Oscar came at the exact right time. We're here for the most briefest of moments in the course of all of time and space and I lucked out, I got the exact cure right before there could have been none. They saved me. They helped me be a better person. Oscar, he was a childhood dream. He was the white faced Border Collie from Footrot Flats "dog". He was as unique and individual as his comic counterpart. He was everything I had hoped and dreamt of. Life rarely fulfils your desires. Your wants. I was lucky. I may never be so lucky again. Today, I suffer. Existence is so fragile. It comes from nothing in the blink of an eye and can as abruptly return to that from which it came. Oscar, all I can hope for is that as you passed you knew that you mattered. That you were a dream fulfilled. That you were deeply loved and that you were a hero, even inadvertently. Oscar, the suffering of your passing will never be fully articulated as we simple beings will never have the language skills to ever give it due credit. It's a feeling without words. Maybe it's better that way, unspoken gives it a reverence that seems fitting. Today is supposed to be a good day, it's warm and windy with the spring time sun that makes you feel the season of renewel. As I write this the sun doesn't seem as bright but rather dull and cruel, how dare it try to give me the impression that new life is here. Instead of signifying we're out of the dark it only feels like the start of it. Oz, I'll keep George company for you. You will never be forgotten and I thank you for being you. Farewell Oscar
  16. Yes, this. Even with my FIVE YEAR OLD, our games of fetch are on and off, and honestly mostly training with fetch as a reward. Do some heeling, BALL BRING IT BACK. Stay. Release. MORE FETCH. Do a trick or three. MORE FETCH. Etc. Not just... chasing the ball until they drop. Some disc games look vaguely like 'go till you drop' for a whole 60 seconds at a time ;p but my dogs are all fully grown adults.
  17. I'm not a vet, and I exercise my young dogs more than a lot of people do. So I would say that 30 min of fetch IN A DAY is not excessive. But 30 minutes of CONTINUOUS fetch probably is not advisable. Five minutes of fetch followed by ten minutes of walking, and the five more minutes of fetch then more walking, then maybe a couple more minutes of fetch would probably be better. There are a lot more twisting and high impact stops and turns in a round of fetch than we realize. Short bursts of intense activity and longer rounds of low impact activity will give you the benefits of exercise with much less stress on young joints
  18. well, there you go... BALL is his reward!! For training, that is... not for acclimation. Meaning, NO BALL while he is hanging out absorbing atmosphere and getting *ready* to pay attention to you. But, once he can voluntarily pay attention to you (e.g. remembers you exist <g>) then BALL! Then not ball, and he has to work to get more ball. Admittedly you cannot play fetch on a crowded sidewalk, but with a ball-on-a-rope you can probably find *some* sort of game he will at least kinda get into. But it is still really, really important to invest a bunch of time in getting him used to the world (no ball)... otherwise he will at best remain reactive to unexpected things, and potentially get worse as time passes. He needs to be able to notice the world enough to learn to cope with it, right? So, no ball during *that* process! But, ball very very useful for all sorts of other things. I will leave the amount of exercise question to those who've raised more bc's than I have... but although I tend to err on the side of caution with young athletic animals (and if they're going to be chasing a ball, IMO it needs to be still moving forward rapidly when they get to it, not stopped so they have to put on the emergency brakes) I totally understand where you're coming from, and some days I definitely do significantly more with my young guy than I'm entirely comfortable with, because it is either that or KABOOM! :O Sometimes we live in an imperfect world IMO. Perhaps take it easier if you don't have water, though, because the more tired and pant-y they get, the less careful they are with their bodies. Pat
  19. Thank you both for the insight and encouraging words. It's actually very comforting and makes me hopeful that it is, in fact, just a matter of time and consistence. Pat P - yes, thinking what he wants to do might help... I should mention that he is exceptionally well behaved when we get to the park and I take the ball out. Once the ball is in my hand, is it as though he becomes an entirely different dog. He actively tries to figure out what I want him to do and ignores everything else. Nothing bothers him any longer - no bicycles, no passers-by, not even dogs get paid any attention to if I'm holding the ball in my hand. He walks at a PERFECT heel even... we can be walking together and I can say "sit" very quietly while moving and he'll sit immediately and stay until I call him to join me again at the wave of my hand. It's like the ball is a magic wand, and he does what I want him to do almost before I have time to ask him to do it. It's amazing. Now, if only there were a way to get him to pay attention like this whenever I need him to... On a side note -- I just took him out to the park and he ran around on a long lead for 30 minutes. Since the park is across the street from where I live, I didn't bring water (although I probably should have). I just gave him water before and after. While at the park, a woman approached me, claimed to be a vet, and accused me (quite unpleasantly) of giving him WAY too much exercise, said that he was shaking all over from thirst and fatigue, and that this amount of running was horrible because he's still growing. I understand it's better to bring water (and will next time), but 30 minutes of fetch for a 10 month old pup in a given day surely isn't damaging... right?
  20. I wonder whether your using his name or 'watch me' or whatever is inadvertantly putting extra pressure on him, when he is already feeling overwhelmed by the great wide world. I knwo it takes a LOT of self-control and self-reminders not to say anything to the dog, but maybe try just rewarding (with something he considers really high-value) any glance in your direction *without* trying to cue it in any way. Honestly, you cannot expect training to happen when he's too overwrought to think, and it sounds like mostly he is (except in your apartment, which is fine but should not be expected to carry over in any way to other environments at this point) Also, you have mentioned a lot about what YOU want him to do, but what does HE like to do? (I mean, that's constructive LOL). Find and USE the things he likes. Games, tricks, ways of being petted, ways of hanging out with you, particular toys, particular activities, etc. There must be SOMETHING he does that you and he can agree on and use as common ground :) Good luck and remember this too shall pass ;), Pat
  21. I understand your concern, and especially your need to see at least a little progress for all your hard work, but please do not be discouraged. In training terms, two weeks is nothing. If you were seeing good results this soon, it would be unusual, starting from where you have started, and with the dog you have. A dog who is easily reactive to things takes a long time to train. Just be patient and completely persistent. sometimes when you start training a dog in earnest, the dog will go through a period of time when the acting out gets much worse. (Human kids do this, too, I understand). This doesn't mean you are on the wrong track or that the dog is hopeless. It just means the dog is pushing boundaries and it will take longer. I think your carrying him to the park and letting him run is a good idea if it is helping him to focus. If I had this dog, I would probably take him in this manner to the park first, before any training, and let him get tired out, and then work on the focus and other training when he is more able to focus on you. This may allow the training to sink in, which it is not yet doing. But please remember that you just gotta keep at it. My beloved Kit dog, who was a very good and obedient dog, had one bad habit that I needed to train her out of, and I worked at it diligently, persistently, daily, patiently, on and on for two whole years before she would reliably obey me on that particular thing. Whew. And Kit was no dummy, either. She just really didn't want to do that one thing, and I would have let it go except it was important. These things are important for your dog. I always look at it this way: To me, training a dog is a never-ending project no matter what dog I have, because there is always a new circumstance, and the old training also needs reinforcement from time to time. When starting out with a young dog, I figure that no matter how long it takes, it is worth it just to keep at it. That amount of time is going to go by anyway, and at the end of that time you will either have a well trained dog or not, and that is up to you. If you do have a trained dog after 6 weeks or a year or two years or whatever, then you have a trained dog for the next 10 to 15 years. If not you have a problem for that same length of time. I say give it more time.
  22. Thank you all for the replies! We have kept at it with training since I first made this post (almost two weeks now), and I'm sad to say that we've only regressed. I'm not quite sure why this is and am really disheartened. To detail what we have been doing: short training sessions throughout the day, in which we do not walk to any destination but stay right by the front of the house so that he can just go potty. He gets a treat and praise every time he looks at me (the command is "look at me"). He is very easily distracted as soon as we step outside the building (but up until that point, in the lobby, he's composed and quite focused on me), so we stay close by and I give him small tasks to keep his attention on me (i.e. sit, paw, stay, down) - and he completes these tasks for me usually, unless he is being distracted by something. If he is distracted by something (this is ANYTHING - a person walking by, a dog walking by, anything rolling by) it is as if I am not there. I try to get his attention by calling him but get ignored. Then I stay quiet until he looks at me and then treat and reward. It's been two weeks of this and nothing. Not progress. He seems more distracted than ever and less willing to notice me than ever. I thought maybe he wasn't getting enough exercise, so I carried him to the park across the street and let him run on a long lead and play ball. This he really enjoyed and was very tired and very focused on me on our way back. He seems to need this exercise to be at this calmest self, so he's been getting about an hour of it a day. He has plenty of time outside the crate, has chews to keep him occupied, and training like I mentioned. I don't believe that a lack of exercise, mental or physical, is the problem. He barks and howls every time I leave the room. I don't come back inside until he's quiet again. No progress here. He barks every time he hears something from outside the window. I calmly reassure him and put him in his crate if it continues. No progress here. He snaps at my hands and at me when I do something he really doesn't like (put him in the crate, take something away from him) and this gets a firm NO and he gets put inside his crate. No progress here. He has started to become reactive and will pick out certain individuals on the street who he finds "provocative" and lunges at them with wild snaps, barks, yelps. This is extremely alarming and all I can do at this point is hold him back until the individual is out of sight. It only happens with a handful of people and I try to predict when it will happen and take him away before it does, but it's getting worse. He doesn't seem to want to pay any attention to me. I know that he's also 10 months and it's a difficult age, but I really don't know what to do. I'm trying to be as consistent as possible and even an OUNCE of progress would encourage me so much at this point, but I haven't seen it. I know that training is meant to be a lengthy process and require lots of patience, but isn't it meant to come with progress as well? I only see that we are getting worse, not better. He's yelping violently in his crate right now and I'm ignoring him and it's breaking my heart to see him like this. What can I do? EDIT - would like to add that I just ordered "Click to Calm" and "Fired Up, Frantic and Freaked Out..." dog training books. They should arrive this Friday and I'm eager to start reading them. In the meantime, however, any input you all have would be really appreciated.
  23. Love the blue eyes. It is always interesting to see how pigmentation grows on a border collie's nose. In her first photos there is a lot of unpigmented skin o her nose, but now she has only one spot. She's a cutie, all right. I am also interested to hear what she does for you as a service dog. What kinds of tasks does she perform for you?
  24. Thank you! All excellent points that I am sure I can incorporate. I did try searching for past posts, but most seemed to deal with older puppies or dogs; some that were more aggressive and others that were afraid. I knew I needed to get on this immediately. They are never out in that yard (or any yard) unsupervised at this age. My place is on 2 fenced acres, but I also have two fenced enclosures (one off the house for pottying -- which is where this is taking place) and the other further from the house and road which is a play yard.) At this age, they do NOT have full run of the 2 acres (except when on leash for walks)-- only the two yards and only when supervised. Here are their pics; they are Piper (white - girl) and Parker (red -boy)....and they are soooo much FUN!!!
  25. I am the person who originally suggested border collie collapsed based on a lack of physical stamina. An overaroused dog who gets naughty after being aroused, even getting mentally tired of it isn't BCC. BCC is a neurological thing with physical symptoms. It CAN be made worse by arousal, but I was SOLEY addressing his lack of physical stamina, nothing else. Your description here makes me agree with your vet. Probably this is either a dog with behavioral problems, temperament problems, or is just a normal BC in a home that's definition of normal doesn't encompass BC behavior. Which often, honestly, includes being a pain in the ass who gets into trouble a lot and needs a lot of management.
  26. I agree with D'Elle. Never allow him in the yard without someone who's prepared to intervene the instant he shows the slightest interest in a car. That means not just having someone in the yard with him, but someone having constant attention on him so doesn't get the chance for self-rewarding ever again. Not even once. Each time he gets to self reward significantly erodes any progress you might have made.
  27. Ours has not been the same after neutering. The vet is at a loss to know why. Could be border collie collapse. Our vet doesn’t think so. All other possibilities eliminated. Vet says some dogs just don’t know what to do without their testosterone. We have buttoned it down with our guy to knowing that all the bad behaviour comes with too much exercise and too much stimulation and this is after months and months of consulting and observations But here’s the good news. Having accepted that we have a 15 minute dog (that’s the most he can cope with) we have settled down to life. He now only spends our supper time (1.5 hours) in his crate plus from 9pm to 9am (he’s been the driver of that). We entertain him with things he can watch - like watching the bird feeder from the deck or looking out the window from ‘his chair’ or rides in the car to a beech for a small walk and paddle. We also give him a mellow (sometimes two) a day. It’s a very low dose of valerian but it seems to take the edge off for him being frustrated. He’s nearly 17 months now and coping sooo much better with leash biting and settling. Alternative commands are the best in those situations and something that allows him to still ‘move forward’ like ‘go get a tog’ Or ‘what’s that over there’ and then we can gradually calm him down. Good luck!
  28. I suggest you don't leave him out in that yard at all unless he is supervised. If you leave him out on his own he will be self-rewarding every time he sees a car and chases it up and down the fence, and the more times he does that the harder it will be to train him out of the behavior. Border collies are obsessive dogs and if you don't take it seriously and nip this in the bud it could and probably will become a lifelong addiction that you don't want. When he starts to chase the cars, distract him with a toy or game or treats. If he doesn't stop doesn't take to the distraction and goes back to the chasing, , take him inside immediately and pop him into his crate for 5 minutes. He will learn that if he behaves like that he has to go inside and the fun stops.
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